U.S. Senate fails to override Obama's Keystone XL veto

[captain morgan]

Which is, of course, utter BS since all of it was destined for export, just like it would do nothing for Canadian energy self sufficiency. Sheeple are so susceptible to capitalist buzz words, they'll believe any BS thrown at them by their "higher ups".

Correct... Pipelines build themselves and often occur spontaneously in nature.

As an added bonus, they require no maintenance or monitoring including the many pump stations that run perfectly forever

... By the by, Ontario gets much of it's oil and gasoline from Venezuela where, you guessed it - originates from the oilsands in the Orinoco Basin.

 

[Cliffy]

Correct... Pipelines build themselves and often occur spontaneously in nature.

As an added bonus, they require no maintenance or monitoring including the many pump stations that run perfectly forever

... By the by, Ontario gets much of it's oil and gasoline from Venezuela where, you guessed it - originates from the oilsands in the Orinoco Basin.

Are you really that dense? (sorry, that is rhetorical). Short term jobs building pipelines has nothing to do with energy self sufficiency. If Ontario needs the oil then why are the pipelines taking the oil to the coast to be shipped abroad? Your logic is as full of holes as your head.

 

[petros]

It was never about being green I would say.

Never was. It's about using fracking the f-ck out of the Bakken and giving kerogen a higher value but kerogen is now less profitable and useless for jobs in the chemical and poly industries.

The only benefit was to the rail car companies.

 

[captain morgan]

If Ontario needs the oil then why are the pipelines taking the oil to the coast to be shipped abroad? Your logic is as full of holes as your head.

Yep, your post is full confirmation that you are dumber than a bag of hammers.

If Ontario needs the oil then why are the pipelines taking the oil to the coast to be shipped abroad? Your logic is as full of holes as your head.

Because ecotards such as yourself piss and moan when there is a suggestion that it be transported across Canada for upgrading & refining to supply the domestic markets. Far better to transport it by rail through place like Lac Magnetic, right?

Your ingenious solution is to ship it to the Gulf Coast directly South and have the Eastern Canadian supply include heavy oil from Venezuela that is only a mere 5,000 miles away!... Brilliant!

PS - Once the US refiners buy the oil, they can sell it whoever they damn well want to

 

[petros]

Are you really that dense? (sorry, that is rhetorical). Short term jobs building pipelines has nothing to do with energy self sufficiency. If Ontario needs the oil then why are the pipelines taking the oil to the coast to be shipped abroad? Your logic is as full of holes as your head.

Where do polymers and esters come for manufacturing feedstock?

Yep, your post is full confirmation that you are dumber than a bag of hammers.



Because ecotards such as yourself piss and moan when there is a suggestion that it be transported across Canada for upgrading & refining to supply the domestic markets. Far better to transport it by rail through place like Lac Magnetic, right?

Your ingenious solution is to ship it to the Gulf Coast directly South and have the Eastern Canadian supply include heavy oil from Venezuela that is only a mere 5,000 miles away!... Brilliant!

PS - Once the US refiners buy the oil, they can sell it whoever they damn well want to

Lac Magantic was Obama's kerogen and the Orinoco is the second largest watershed in the world.

The ecotard rebuttals are all misconceptions.

 

[captain morgan]

The ecotard rebuttals are all misconceptions.

There are no real rebuttals, only rhetoric and emotionally filled hyperbole

 

[pgs]

There are no real rebuttals, only rhetoric and emotionally filled hyperbole

Yup another oil tanker derailment and fire on the banks of the Mississippi river .
Boy those pipelines are sure scary .

 

[captain morgan]

Yup another oil tanker derailment and fire on the banks of the Mississippi river .
Boy those pipelines are sure scary .

They must clean up those derailments extremely fast... I never seem to see the masses picketing or groups like greenpeace and sierra club on site thumping their chests and crying to the heavens

 

[mentalfloss]

So where do we go from here?

 

[captain morgan]

Decisions will be made by the appropriate Fed gvts as to how to move forward.

My take is that you'll see more pressure from the Cdn Feds to push through the East-West lines here in Canada and open the markets to Europe and Asia... Cdn crude will sell on the Brent Markets that traditionally have a higher price attached... At present, Cdn crude goes almost exclusively to the USA where it trades at a discount to West Texas Intermediate (WTI).

Ironically, WTI is a better product when compared to Brent, but it has a lower value... Bottom line, having multiple buyers on a global scale will net Canadian producers higher sales revenues per bbl, which will also contribute more into the fed and provincial tax pools.

 

[EagleSmack]

More trains... more barges down the Mississippi River... more resources used to transport the crude.

 

[petros]

So where do we go from here?

An open ditch.

 

[mentalfloss]

What about building more refineries?

 

[petros]

What about building more refineries?

Why? We have more capacity than we do production. Upgraders are waiting for desulphurising as much conventional heavy oil and bitumen sourced heavy we can chuck at them. We already export finished product to the US. 1 semi truck every 7 minutes leaves the Regina refinery for Minot Air Force carrying just jet fuel. Then there is truck after truck after truck supplying gasoline and diesel to parts of AB, all of SK, MB, Northern West ON, parts of MN,ND and MT.

That is how far just one reaches.

 

[mentalfloss]

I was just making suggesting for those depressed by this news.


I really feel for them ya know?

 

[petros]

XL would have carried the diesel gasoline, jet and heating oil to ND where it would be replaced with Bakken kerogen.

The gas, diesel, jet, heating oil and kerogen are used to thin ou t the crude to make it thinner and far easier to pump.

I was just making suggesting for those depressed by this news.


I really feel for them ya know?

It'll go by train and truck which is obviously the far more efficient and greener option.

 

[mentalfloss]

So what you're saying is that we will have an even harder time meeting targets once they become legally enforced.

Sweet!

 

[petros]

Rail doesn't need any permission. They can host pipelines down their corridors bypassing any and all environmental review. They already plan to start pumping from beneath their abandoned lines that run through prime SK AB and MB oil fields and building pipelines. They also have the ability to widen their enviro free corridors and no Fed or Provincial/State agency can stop them from doing so.

A can of worms was opened that will eat green beans alive.

 

[EagleSmack]

So what you're saying is that we will have an even harder time meeting targets once they become legally enforced.

Sweet!

Legally enforced by who?

I loved when Canada gave the UN the one fingered salute when they received their $14 BILLION DOLLAR invoice.

Now THAT was Sweet!

 

[petros]

He's high.

That was sweet. The rate of warming dropped without coughing up a penny.