So, it's ok to be raped cause you can always press charges? I think you may have miss interpreted what I posted.
I don't think that's the message we want to send to our daughters.
BTW, she did file charges.
This fellow is ruined for life? What do you think? Accusers and the Accused, Crossing
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So, it's ok to be raped cause you can always press charges? I think you may have miss interpreted what I posted.
I don't think that's the message we want to send to our daughters.
BTW, she did file charges.
Its not ok to be raped. Its also not ok to change your mind after and decide it was rape. Its not ok to lie about it an accuse somebody else. Also if you are drunk and say yes its not rape because you sober up. Same as being drunk does not get you off from being a rapist.
Was he found guilty or is it still pending? Or was it that university procedure which they found insufficient evidence?
Seems you automatically believe the women. I have no idea what happened so chose to believe neither. But this guy has been tried and convicted by the do gooders around him.
I think you're attributing to me, things I've never said, illuded to or even think. You've clearly misread or misinterpreted my response to a post.
so calm down.
I quoted Scooby's post "Women form their attitudes on men based on the actions of a few, a prejudice indeed."
To which I said
got it?
In your reality, I'm whatever you want me to be. You've already demonstrated that your reality and objective reality have very few intersection points.
Arguing with a whiny little victim over whether I'm angry or not is not on my agenda for today.
Can you describe to me what "err on the side of caution" means in this context? It is possible I missed a tangent somewhere.
Women need to keep them selves safe from being raped. They should err on the side of caution. Better to assume the creepy feeling their getting from their date is correct. If he seems sketchy, a womans' safety is more important then hurting his feelings.
a cop told me that about 35 years ago...I listened
trust your gut...
there's also an awesome book on it that I read a zillion years ago...this guy was revolutionary at the time, and the book is still valuable today
The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker - Threat Assessment Information
So ya, you are angry
Sounds rather uncomfortableWhat's wrong with a cage? Just choose the right keyholder.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/n...d-crossing-paths-at-columbia.html?ref=us&_r=1
Calling the procedures in place, flawed would be giving the administration some credit. This was screwed up from the beginning. The procedures in place did not work and were changed.
Why did she not lay charges?
Some points from the link.
His notoriety is the result of a campaign by Emma Sulkowicz, a fellow student who says Mr. Nungesser raped her in her dorm room two years ago. Columbia cleared him of responsibility in that case, as well as in two others that students brought against him. Outraged, Ms. Sulkowicz began carrying a 50-pound mattress wherever she went on campus, to suggest the painful burden she continues to bear. She has vowed to keep at it until he leaves the school.
He says that he is innocent, and that the same university that found him “not responsible” has now abdicated its own responsibility, letting mob justice overrule its official procedures. The mattress project is not an act of free expression, he adds; it is an act of bullying, a very public, very personal and very painful attack designed to hound him out of Columbia. And it is being conducted with the university’s active support. “There is a member of the faculty that is supervising this,” he said. “This is part of her graduation requirement.”
Ms. Sulkowicz says that in August 2012, during an otherwise consensual encounter, Mr. Nungesser hit her, pinned her down and, despite her protests, raped her. Another woman accused him of following her up the stairs at a party for the literary society they both belonged to and groping her until she pushed him off. A third woman accused him of multiple episodes of “intimate partner violence” — emotional abuse and nonconsensual sex during a monthslong relationship.
Mr. Nungesser said the charges against him, all filed within days of one another, were the result of collusion. The three women said in interviews with The New York Times that they decided to take action when they heard about one another’s experiences.
The university dropped the intimate partner violence charge after that accuser, saying she was exhausted by the barrage of questions, stopped answering emails over summer vacation. And in Ms. Sulkowicz’s case, the hearing panel found that there was not enough evidence. Her request for an appeal was denied.
To Mr. Nungesser, the facts that campus hearings have a lower burden of proof than criminal trials and that he was not allowed to bring up communications between himself and Ms. Sulkowicz after the night in question were proof that the process was biased against him. If despite those odds, the hearings were resolved in his favor, how could anyone doubt that justice was served?
Columbia’s procedures for investigating sexual assault allegations have changed considerably since Mr. Nungesser and Ms. Sulkowicz’s case was decided. Accusers and defendants are now each allowed to bring a lawyer, for example; if they do not have one, Columbia is one of the only colleges in the country that will provide one.
But one fundamental goal of the process remains the same, says Suzanne B. Goldberg, a special adviser to the university’s president on sexual assault prevention and response. Unlike criminal trials, she explained, university hearings are designed to be educational experiences.
“I think that any university students who engage with a disciplinary process on these issues learn a lot,” she said.
Now read the bolded above and tell me what you think about her and the Universities stance
Calling the procedures in place, flawed would be giving the administration some credit. This was screwed up from the beginning. The procedures in place did not work and were changed.
Why did she not lay charges?
Some points from the link.
His notoriety is the result of a campaign by Emma Sulkowicz, a fellow student who says Mr. Nungesser raped her in her dorm room two years ago. Columbia cleared him of responsibility in that case, as well as in two others that students brought against him. Outraged, Ms. Sulkowicz began carrying a 50-pound mattress wherever she went on campus, to suggest the painful burden she continues to bear. She has vowed to keep at it until he leaves the school.
He says that he is innocent, and that the same university that found him “not responsible” has now abdicated its own responsibility, letting mob justice overrule its official procedures. The mattress project is not an act of free expression, he adds; it is an act of bullying, a very public, very personal and very painful attack designed to hound him out of Columbia. And it is being conducted with the university’s active support. “There is a member of the faculty that is supervising this,” he said. “This is part of her graduation requirement.”
Ms. Sulkowicz says that in August 2012, during an otherwise consensual encounter, Mr. Nungesser hit her, pinned her down and, despite her protests, raped her. Another woman accused him of following her up the stairs at a party for the literary society they both belonged to and groping her until she pushed him off. A third woman accused him of multiple episodes of “intimate partner violence” — emotional abuse and nonconsensual sex during a monthslong relationship.
Mr. Nungesser said the charges against him, all filed within days of one another, were the result of collusion. The three women said in interviews with The New York Times that they decided to take action when they heard about one another’s experiences.
The university dropped the intimate partner violence charge after that accuser, saying she was exhausted by the barrage of questions, stopped answering emails over summer vacation. And in Ms. Sulkowicz’s case, the hearing panel found that there was not enough evidence. Her request for an appeal was denied.
To Mr. Nungesser, the facts that campus hearings have a lower burden of proof than criminal trials and that he was not allowed to bring up communications between himself and Ms. Sulkowicz after the night in question were proof that the process was biased against him. If despite those odds, the hearings were resolved in his favor, how could anyone doubt that justice was served?
Columbia’s procedures for investigating sexual assault allegations have changed considerably since Mr. Nungesser and Ms. Sulkowicz’s case was decided. Accusers and defendants are now each allowed to bring a lawyer, for example; if they do not have one, Columbia is one of the only colleges in the country that will provide one.
But one fundamental goal of the process remains the same, says Suzanne B. Goldberg, a special adviser to the university’s president on sexual assault prevention and response. Unlike criminal trials, she explained, university hearings are designed to be educational experiences.
“I think that any university students who engage with a disciplinary process on these issues learn a lot,” she said.
Now read the bolded above and tell me what you think about her and the Universities stance
