N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death
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Neither drinking coffee (or being a coffee bean) nor wearing a short skirt is illegal.
Truly, the short skirt question was a hugely desperate stab at a nothing argument
Aren't you the guy that always says 'you can't suck and blow at the same time'?
He just feels the need to talk with somebody....probably because nobody will talk to him in real life with his attitude......
Of course it wasn't. I'm just trying to figure out the criteria that you use for laying blame on to crime victims. You see, unlike you, I don't believe somebody is responsible for being killed because they're selling cigarettes or walking down a dark street at night or working as a cashier at the grocery store at night. Granted all of these things put people at risk for being killed but in the civilized society we don't blame them
There is a crazy, outrageous notion around commonly referred to as personal responsibility. Garner was both a victim and protagonist at the same time. His actions lead directly to reactions from the police that lead to his death.
Walking down a dark street, working as a cashier are not illegal actions - what Garner was doing selling loosies was 'illegal'. He upped the ante by physically engaging the cops by virtue of not complying.
Maybe you subscribe to the existentialist philosophy that fate dictates everything or perhaps you are one of those that believe you have always been a victim and will always be a victim... Sad if this is the case, but in the end, we all have to answer for our actions and Eric Garner, whether you like it or not, maintains an equal share (if not greater) for the consequences that befell him.
Which has what to do with this?
Do you have any position on this issue?
'Not putting yourself in a vulnerable position' (read: personal responsibility) or a consequence-free existence.
I am simply looking to determine if you have any position on this
In specific terms NO and neither should anyone else who didn't witness the incident.
Neither one absolves the responsibility of the other. Garner was likely the author of his own demise just by doing what he was doing where he was doing it at the time he was doing it. He had the first opportunity to change the outcome. Having said this (if the cop did something improper) he can't be using what Garner did as an excuse.
I'm going by the decision of the Grand Jury... They had access to all the info and I see no reason why their judgement should be questioned.
On that note, seeing as you are not taking a position, you sure had some strong thoughts on buddy when you stated "So I guess what it all boils down to is those of us who have made multiple mistakes in our life should all be dead by rights!"
On that note, seeing as you are not taking a position, you sure had some strong thoughts on buddy when you stated "So I guess what it all boils down to is those of us who have made multiple mistakes in our life should all be dead by rights!"
It wasn't very long ago there was a thread here about a liberal kid that got mugged. He'd like to blame the victim too. Of course he had different reasons for blaming the victim but it still sounded just as silly.
Wasn't the grand jury asked if you should be charged with murder?
Wasn't the grand jury asked if you should be charged with murder?
If memory serves, the Liberal kid assumed responsibility on his own.. Something to do with a greater societal blame of which he was part of.
Regardless, there was no cop that did the mugging so it looks like everyone in that equation were victims
Couldn't tell ya... You should look into that
Regardless, there was no cop that did the mugging so it looks like everyone in that equation were victims
Couldn't tell ya... You should look into that
Cops are always victims to folks like you. It's the only way you can defend them....well that and trying to shift blame onto the real victim....just like the liberal kid did. I've said over and over that you social conservatives have a lot in common with the lefties. Thanks for proving me right once again.
Your argument must be getting weaker as each moment passes, I never made any kind of comment that the cop was a victim.
You just don't like the fact that Garner was doing something illegal and then followed it up with another bad decision to fight the cops
Here's another victim for you to go to bat for.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/maritimes/130569-n-l-boy-crashes-stolen.html
The poor wee lamb, he is a victim in your eyes as well, right?.. The bus leaped-out and attacked him.
Poor wee lamb
That Liberal kid self-identified as the victimizer... Not my words, they are his
Your eternal gratitude is appreciated, but there is no amount of support or logic that anyone could apply that would ever prove you right on anything
I'm not surprised you would find it so given how seriously you take illegally selling cigarettes.
Too bad we couldn't have had some cop throttle that little ****er in Newfoundland eh? Think of the glee