Surprise U.S.-China climate deal reverberates north and south
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back to insulting hey? Didn't you learn your lesson last night? What happened to your post, hey?
High efficiency requiring 820 million MORE tonnes of coal by next year?
My lesson? I learned you are even more f-cked in the head than I thought?
My lesson? I learned you are even more f-cked in the head than I thought?
no - what you should have learned... is even this board has limits. Limits you clearly went beyond to the point it just couldn't be left to stand. Hence it was (properly) removed. Are you now wanting to try again? See if you can get there, yet again?
in any case, there was a bit of meaningful discussion in this thread before you decided you needed to stop it. Well done - mission accomplished, hey!
Again you are right when looking at certain trees but when you look at the whole forest I just don't share your optimism and here's why (source US EPA):
China is already the world's largest emitter of CO2. The current agreement just signed has no target for China only that it will keep growing until 2030 and then stablilise. That means their emissions during this time could go up 10%, double, triple who knows?
This means that under the current agreement, all the positives you see elsewhere will still be offset just by growth in the Chinese economy for the next 15 years meaning that CO2 emissions still to grow just from China will likely be more than all the globes natural sources combined.
Couple that with a population growth of several billion over the next generation or two and just the increase in nitrous oxide to feed all those people let alone the cars they will drive or the cell phones they will speak on off set a hundred future nuke plants.
I just don't see anything in this agreement to be optimistic about other than a country like China acknowledging there is a problem.
I've asked others to expand on this; I've not been answered yet. Again, the concept of peak implies you can't go beyond it... because... it's not peak then. To meet that 2030 peak commitment, significant... radical, no less, changes will be required before getting there... to get there. Do you have a different interpretation/understanding of "peak"?
notwithstanding: - China has pledged to increase the share of energy consumed from nonemissions sources like renewables, nuclear energy and hydro-electricity to 20 percent by 2030
I'll ask you again... did you research it?
How is it a word game? Is there a ratified treaty? If so... show me.
Although he would like to think so... our President is not yet an Emperor so his word is not the commitments of the U.S. Painful as it must be to those who believe it is... it is not. The President came to some agreement with China... already it is being attacked. This will not pass muster with Congress and any executive order will be slashed to ribbons.
There is no U.S commitment.
If China wants a sustainable economy they can't lean exclusively on a high emissions industry.
It's in their best interest to adapt clean tech.
It's in their best interest to adapt clean tech.
What does the agreement say about steel production?
Is China going to kill off it's steel industry?
Is China going to kill off it's steel industry?
And is economically disadvantageous for them to continue having the reputation as a big polluter.
They already know that a big shift is necessary for them to compete and I would expect that in 20 or so years, you will see a very different global economy.
1.8t of CO2 to make 1t of steel....
I hope they plan on using bamboo to build the 80 nuke and coal powerplants needed.
I hope they plan on using bamboo to build the 80 nuke and coal powerplants needed.
IF... IF CHINA decides it is economically disadvantageous then they will adjust as they see fit and in their best interests.
But to please the likes of your crowd? EL OH EL
Yet everyone in NorAm flocks to Walmart daily to purchase cheaper Chinese goods.
I'm guessing that China isn't so worried about reputation
1/3 of the coke used on the planet annually to make steel is consumed by China.
Do any of you know what coke is?
Do any of you know what coke is?