Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory

Colpy

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I'm not saying these polls are indicative of election results (that's not the point of polls).

But just for some friendly board fun, what will you do if Mr. Pony becomes PM?


Say " Well, one thing about democracy.........the people get what they asked for"..........then have a massive coronary, and drop dead, before I have to watch this wonderful nation become the laughing stock of the western world.
 

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Say " Well, one thing about democracy.........the people get what they asked for"..........then have a massive coronary, and drop dead, before I have to watch this wonderful nation become the laughing stock of the western world.

Lol

Hey it can't ever be any worse than Ford.
 

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I'm not saying these polls are indicative of election results (that's not the point of polls).

as nothing more than a snapshot... of today. Reading responses to your posts suggests most of the CC members responding don't recognize that 308 polling is more than just a 'single poll'... it reads like these members don't understand that 308 results present an aggregate of "all" available polls taken during the represented period.
 

JLM

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Harper's managed to pull it off!


Probably, but with Harper there's a bit of substance too!

Point. :)

Funny thing is, Ford was not a bad mayor, if you ignore the crack, the idiocy, the gang connections (which of course you couldn't do).....it boogles the mind.


That's just all part of politics, J.F.K. probably cavorted with ten times the number of thugs Ford associated with.
 

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The Toronto Sun posts this article today:


Trudeau's march to 24 Sussex

Justin Trudeau remains the man to beat. Like it or not, it’s a fact.

Herewith, 10 reasons why:

1. Liberals lead: Lately, Stephen Harper has performed well. On ISIS, on the attacks on the Canadian Armed Forces, on the improving economy, he has looked prime ministerial. But polling averages don’t lie. Even now, the Liberals remain ahead of the ruling Conservatives. And in the past two years, Trudeau’s party has bested Harper’s in virtually every single poll.

2. Trudeau wins: In all but a handful of surveys since he has become Liberal Party leader, Trudeau has been Canadians’ clear choice for prime minister. In some cases, he has bested Harper by as much as two-to-one. He is no flash in the proverbial pan. “Trudeau is for real,” says Ipsos’ Darrell Bricker.

3. Harper, Mulcair lose: An average of recent polls conducted by analyst Eric Grenier suggests “about 17% of Canadians would select the NDP leader, compared to 28% for Harper and 31% for Trudeau.” Given the fact that the Liberal Party was reduced to third party status less than four years ago – given how an experienced incumbent prime minister always should be doing against a rookie Liberal leader – that is extraordinary.

4. Ad fail: The Tories continue to fight old wars. As with Stephane Dion and Michael Ignatieff, the Tories have spent millions on familiar-looking attack ads that sought to define Trudeau before he could define himself. They haven’t worked. Abacus Data says less than one in five younger Canadian believe Trudeau’s “in over his head.” Among older Canadians, it’s only one in three.

5. Surplus not news: Everyone has known that the feds have been in a structural surplus since last year. The Tories’ plans to trumpet this achievement in coming months is unlikely to reverse the downward arc of public opinion.

6. NDP fading: Tom Mulcair, says Brian Mulroney, is “the best opposition leader since Diefenbaker.” The Parliamentary Press Gallery generally agree. But as Mulroney himself knows, the Commons is irrelevant to most Canadians. They see it as what is wrong with democracy, not what is right. In B.C., in Ontario, in the Atlantic provinces, nationally -- the NDP brand is fading. And Tom Mulcair is no Jack Layton.

7. Change chosen: A recent Ipsos poll confirmed that the Grits lead the Tories by almost 10 percentage points. But, most significantly, the desire for change is immense. “Only one in three voters," noted Ipsos, “believe the Harper government has done a good job and deserves to be re-elected, while 67% believe that it is time for another party to take over.” Justin Trudeau is, overwhelmingly, the agent of the desired change.

8. Money matters: For years, the Conservative Party has dominated political fundraising. They adapted, first and best, to changes ushered in by former Prime Minister Jean Chretien to clean up fundraising. But the Trudeau Liberals are catching up. By summer’s end, the Grits’ 2014 haul was $3.7 million to the Tories’ $4.5 million. But a Maclean’s analysis found “the Liberals made significant gains in Quebec, Ontario and British Columbia” - all provinces where the Conservatives have had fundraising strength.

9. Scandal scars: The cumulative effect of serial scandals – Duffy, Brazeau, Wallin, robocalls – has not been calamitous to the Conservatives’ fortunes. Scandals seldom are. But there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the ethical missteps are sapping both morale and popularity. With the Duffy trial slated to begin in April, this will only get worse.

10. War: On Remembrance Day of all days, we remember fallen heroes – but also that wars, while popular at the outset, are often far less so at the end. As the international effort against ISIS grinds on, will as many Canadians support it? Unlikely.

Trudeau's march to 24 Sussex | Opinion | Toronto Sun
 

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You should have heard NPR down here. NPR is the publically funded Democrat mouthpiece because they'd never survive on the air without taxpayer funding.


Not only were they not talking about the coming Red Wave that crushed the Democrats but they were talking about how Red states were actually in play and that Democrats actually had a chance to gain seats in the Senate!
 

JLM

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The Toronto Sun posts this article today:


Trudeau's march to 24 Sussex

Justin Trudeau remains the man to beat. Like it or not, it’s a fact.

Herewith, 10 reasons why:

1. Liberals lead: Lately, Stephen Harper has performed well. On ISIS, on the attacks on the Canadian Armed Forces, on the improving economy, he has looked prime ministerial. But polling averages don’t lie. Even now, the Liberals remain ahead of the ruling Conservatives. And in the past two years, Trudeau’s party has bested Harper’s in virtually every single poll.

2. Trudeau wins: In all but a handful of surveys since he has become Liberal Party leader, Trudeau has been Canadians’ clear choice for prime minister. In some cases, he has bested Harper by as much as two-to-one. He is no flash in the proverbial pan. “Trudeau is for real,” says Ipsos’ Darrell Bricker.

3. Harper, Mulcair lose: An average of recent polls conducted by analyst Eric Grenier suggests “about 17% of Canadians would select the NDP leader, compared to 28% for Harper and 31% for Trudeau.” Given the fact that the Liberal Party was reduced to third party status less than four years ago – given how an experienced incumbent prime minister always should be doing against a rookie Liberal leader – that is extraordinary.

4. Ad fail: The Tories continue to fight old wars. As with Stephane Dion and Michael Ignatieff, the Tories have spent millions on familiar-looking attack ads that sought to define Trudeau before he could define himself. They haven’t worked. Abacus Data says less than one in five younger Canadian believe Trudeau’s “in over his head.” Among older Canadians, it’s only one in three.

5. Surplus not news: Everyone has known that the feds have been in a structural surplus since last year. The Tories’ plans to trumpet this achievement in coming months is unlikely to reverse the downward arc of public opinion.

6. NDP fading: Tom Mulcair, says Brian Mulroney, is “the best opposition leader since Diefenbaker.” The Parliamentary Press Gallery generally agree. But as Mulroney himself knows, the Commons is irrelevant to most Canadians. They see it as what is wrong with democracy, not what is right. In B.C., in Ontario, in the Atlantic provinces, nationally -- the NDP brand is fading. And Tom Mulcair is no Jack Layton.

7. Change chosen: A recent Ipsos poll confirmed that the Grits lead the Tories by almost 10 percentage points. But, most significantly, the desire for change is immense. “Only one in three voters," noted Ipsos, “believe the Harper government has done a good job and deserves to be re-elected, while 67% believe that it is time for another party to take over.” Justin Trudeau is, overwhelmingly, the agent of the desired change.

8. Money matters: For years, the Conservative Party has dominated political fundraising. They adapted, first and best, to changes ushered in by former Prime Minister Jean Chretien to clean up fundraising. But the Trudeau Liberals are catching up. By summer’s end, the Grits’ 2014 haul was $3.7 million to the Tories’ $4.5 million. But a Maclean’s analysis found “the Liberals made significant gains in Quebec, Ontario and British Columbia” - all provinces where the Conservatives have had fundraising strength.

9. Scandal scars: The cumulative effect of serial scandals – Duffy, Brazeau, Wallin, robocalls – has not been calamitous to the Conservatives’ fortunes. Scandals seldom are. But there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the ethical missteps are sapping both morale and popularity. With the Duffy trial slated to begin in April, this will only get worse.

10. War: On Remembrance Day of all days, we remember fallen heroes – but also that wars, while popular at the outset, are often far less so at the end. As the international effort against ISIS grinds on, will as many Canadians support it? Unlikely.

Trudeau's march to 24 Sussex | Opinion | Toronto Sun


Not one of those 10 reasons is worth a pinch of coon sh*t 11 months from the election and doubly so if the candidate doesn't come across as being competent!:)
 

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Ahhhhhh.

Lol

Okay I've heard of the term before but it is also a racial slur and that's why I was caught off guard.
 

JLM

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Libs will win in the West by re-electing Ralph. It only takes one man to change everything from Kenora westward.


Ralph just passed retirement age since you wrote this! W.T.F. would he want to hang around, especially with Jr. at the helm?