CBC fires Jian Ghomeshi

SLM

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The notion that he fired at the CBC with a $50MM lawsuit, when he is unable to do so (unionized employee) tells a great deal about his ideals and arrogance.

The twitter statement (especially the first) is a hail Mary pass at an attempt of garnering the support of women... At least, that's my opinion

The last refuge of a desperate man? Yeah, he's grasping at straws.

He's either guilty or innocent of the accusations against him. If he's guilty, then all this (the lawsuit, twitter, facebook) are all the claw marks of a desperate man trying to claw his way out of the sinkhole he's in. If he's not guilty (and none of us here knows, we just have opinions that are essentially meaningless in the grand scheme of thing), then he should have made his statement, or two but no more, as eloquently as humanly possible, held his head up and hoped for the best. On the supposition that he's not guilty, continuing down this path of public statements, he looks more and more like the desperate man who is guilty. Either way, he's pretty much screwed. The only real question left (and for some it's not a question) is whether or not he deserves it.
 

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I do agree.

That said, if he wanted to forward a statement defending his innocence with any kind of impact, he'd be better off providing a comment that reaffirms his position and is happy to cooperate with any investigation to straighten this out.

Instead, (in my view) he's opted for a lame attempt to pander to women (in general) with that first tweet, not realizing that in light of the allegations against him, the statement is creepy and reeks of condescension towards the very people he is trying to fool.

... I havd (had) no axe to grind with Ghomeshi prior to this, but his actions are indicative of one that believes that they are above the little people in the world as evidenced in his actions, comments and most of all, the way he abused those women
 

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I do agree.

That said, if he wanted to forward a statement defending his innocence with any kind of impact, he'd be better off providing a comment that reaffirms his position and is happy to cooperate with any investigation to straighten this out.

Instead, (in my view) he's opted for a lame attempt to pander to women (in general) with that first tweet, not realizing that in light of the allegations against him, the statement is creepy and reeks of condescension towards the very people he is trying to fool.

... I havd (had) no axe to grind with Ghomeshi prior to this, but his actions are indicative of one that believes that they are above the little people in the world as evidenced in his actions, comments and most of all, the way he abused those women

I too have never had an axe to grind with him. Barely was aware of his existence to be honest, lol. I mean, I knew who he was but never paid much attention. And the statement does come across creepy and condescending. And when called on it, retorts back and doesn't take the hint that perhaps he should keep his mouth shut. Beyond stupid behaviour for someone who's innocent and hell of a lot of creepiness for someone who's guilty. At this point, guilty or innocent doesn't matter and it's not just his accusers who've put him in that light, but it's his own actions.
 

Kreskin

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jian ghomeshiVerified account ‏@jianghomeshi

Happy International Women's Day. I still believe that the world would be a better place if it were ruled by women.




Laura M. Mac Donald ‏@xolamac

@jianghomeshi shameless pandering.





jian ghomeshiVerified account ‏@jianghomeshi

@xolamac actually no. i'm a women's studies grad who has long felt this way. you might try being less dismissive. thanks.




sure sure jian. :lol:
The Executive Director of CBC human resources is a woman. Looks like she ruled his *** right out the door.
 

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Not if he's coming out with statements like that first tweet. Damage control is more direct and a specific to counter a point, his version seems to be quite out of control right now. Those are the times when damage control actually does more damage than good.


Well he doesnt have a PR firm to tell him this stuff anymore so its not surprising that he is proceeding in a stupid way.
 

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Not if he's coming out with statements like that first tweet. Damage control is more direct and a specific to counter a point, his version seems to be quite out of control right now. Those are the times when damage control actually does more damage than good.


Well to start with, anyone with half a brain knows that "rough sex" is an anachronism for "bullying". Actually I don't really see how a fist to the head is "sex" of any kind!
 

SLM

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Well he doesnt have a PR firm to tell him this stuff anymore so its not surprising that he is proceeding in a stupid way.

Well, I don't have a PR firm to tell me this stuff and I've managed to grasp the significance. Just saying.
 

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I keep reading journalists commenting on how so many people are or were supporting Giam. That must be a Toronto thing. Most people I know have no opinion one way or the other. The only issue up for debate is whether he should have been fired.
 

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I keep reading journalists commenting on how so many people are or were supporting Giam. That must be a Toronto thing. Most people I know have no opinion one way or the other. The only issue up for debate is whether he should have been fired.

I have heard people go from support to outright condemnation as it developed. For the rest of us, we first had to learn who the f-u-c-k he was and then sort of sit back and watch the sharks circle. Actually he is more like a mouse surrounded by cats who keep pawing at him and he keeps running around for their amusement otherwise incapable of realizing how screwed he is.

The really funny thing about this (well funny is the wrong word), had he not done a whole 'wrongful dismissal' fight back about how he was persecuted and launching a $50 million lawsuit, I suspect the story would have died and people would have moved on. He wasn't exactly Peter Mansbridge. He did have some core supporters and his protest of innocence got them all worked up which seemed to have triggered all the rest. Its like the old joke:

A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold; the bird froze up and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy.

A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!

The morals of this story are:

Not everyone who drops s-h-i-t on you is your enemy.
Not everyone who gets you out of s-h-i-t is your friend.
And when you're in deep s-h-i-t, keep your mouth shut!

http://www.arunjain.com/jokes/****_-_A_Bird_Story.htm
 

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He really needs to stop. Seriously. He's said his piece, he's made his case. If it is as he claims, then the smarter thing to do would be to maintain silence. Because it does come across as pandering.

this is all crap he's said in the past...my mistake for not including the full tweets with the date/time stamps but these were to demonstrate how good a guy he was/is, how in-touch with women's feelings, needs and aspirations...people have been thoroughly checking his twitter history to check this bastard out.
 

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I have heard people go from support to outright condemnation as it developed. For the rest of us, we first had to learn who the f-u-c-k he was and then sort of sit back and watch the sharks circle. Actually he is more like a mouse surrounded by cats who keep pawing at him and he keeps running around for their amusement otherwise incapable of realizing how screwed he is.

The really funny thing about this (well funny is the wrong word), had he not done a whole 'wrongful dismissal' fight back about how he was persecuted and launching a $50 million lawsuit, I suspect the story would have died and people would have moved on. He wasn't exactly Peter Mansbridge. He did have some core supporters and his protest of innocence got them all worked up which seemed to have triggered all the rest. Its like the old joke:



http://www.arunjain.com/jokes/****_-_A_Bird_Story.htm

I'm not convinced a wrongful dismissal suit isn't an appropriate response. I think some people are confusing issues.
 

SLM

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Things are different in celebrity land.

Because 'celebrities' can't think for themselves? Lol.

this is all crap he's said in the past...my mistake for not including the full tweets with the date/time stamps but these were to demonstrate how good a guy he was/is, how in-touch with women's feelings, needs and aspirations...people have been thoroughly checking his twitter history to check this bastard out.

Ah, that puts the statements into a bit of a different light. I thought they were all recent. Personally, as a woman, I still read the statements as a tad condescending, but they don't have the 'creep' factor as if they were said now.
 

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I'm not convinced a wrongful dismissal suit isn't an appropriate response. I think some people are confusing issues.

According to the info I have heard, as buddy is a unionized employee, he forfeits his right to sue the company or the union... Any wrongful dismissal issue has to be taken through the union and a grievance is forwarded on the employees behalf.

To date I have heard nothing from the union in terms of defending buddy.

Further, Ghomeshi forwarding damages north of $50MM is laughable... He has to provide some form of logic that this is an amount that he (has) will lose (present/future).... The lawsuit and the amount for damages was a pipe dream at best.
 

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An Analysis of Jian Ghomeshi’s Statement of Claim

With the dizzying events of the past week, it seems worthwhile to revisit Jian Ghomeshi’s statement of claim, since it contains the most detailed account of his dealings with the CBC and advances his legal theory in response to the termination of his employment.

Para. 6: Mr. Ghomeshi states the CBC misused personal information “provided to it in confidence and under common interest privilege at a time when the CBC knew Mr. Ghomeshi was vulnerable. The misuse of Mr. Ghomeshi’s personal and confidential information against him should be condemned by any informed member of the public.” Here, Mr. Ghomeshi strikes the theme repeated throughout his claim, that he and the CBC were engaged in a common venture to prevent the publication of a story about non-consensual sex by an ex-girlfriend. I will comment further on this below, but his statement that misuse of the personal information should be “condemned by the public” is rich, since it was Mr. Ghomeshi who initiated and lost the public relations war with his Facebook post and precipitous statement of claim.

Para. 11: Mr. Ghomeshi states “In good faith and with concern for their common interest in refuting scurrilous allegations, he approached his employer to advise the CBC of the threat of a public release of a fabricated story about his private life.” Note that it was Mr. Ghomeshi’s decision to advise the CBC of the threat of publication. He obviously wanted to get ahead of the story, hoped that the CBC could be convinced to side with him and perhaps thereby the story could be quashed. None of that transformed the CBC into Mr. Ghomeshi’s partner.

Para. 18: “At the request of the CBC, Mr. Ghomeshi directed his legal counsel to share with the CBC certain materials exchanged between himself and the woman believed to be behind the allegations.” This must be in reference to videos and photos mentioned in a Globe and Mail story, as having been provided by Mr. Ghomeshi to CBC officials in the days prior to the termination. This simply points up the fact that, up until then, the CBC had in its possession what Mr. Ghomeshi chose to share. Therefore, any decision made or action taken by the CBC up to that point was coloured to that extent. Undoubtedly, after viewing the materials, the CBC decided it could not be seen to be associated with the practices they depicted.

Para. 21: Mr. Ghomeshi states here that the CBC was not concerned with whether the practices were consensual, but rather with the “negative public perception, should the fact that Mr. Ghomeshi engaged in BDSM become public. In doing so, the CBC was making a moral judgment about the appropriateness of BDSM.” Making those kinds of judgments is the right of an employer.

Para. 22: “Engaging in BDSM is part of the normal continuum of human sexual behaviour, and it is increasingly common that engaging in BDSM would not be seen as shocking or scandalous to informed North Americans.” With this pleading, the entire gamut of BDSM activities have now become relevant and open to scrutiny.

Para. 23: “Nevertheless, based on the CBC’s antiquated perspective, the CBC terminated Mr. Ghomeshi’s employment.” How do you go from “increasingly common” to “antiquated perspective” in one paragraph?

Para. 26: This paragraph quotes CBC’s public statement on the termination, that “Information has come to our attention recently, that in CBC’s judgment precludes us from continuing our relationship with Mr. Ghomeshi.”

Para. 27: Mr. Ghomeshi states that the CBC statement confirmed the basis of the termination was the confidential information “that had been disclosed voluntarily and in good faith to the CBC by Mr. Ghomeshi.” So what? If an employee happens to make a confession, or to provide damaging information to an employer in the course of an internal inquiry, the employer is entitled to use the information as it sees fit. Mr. Ghomeshi’s legal theory is that by providing the information, CBC somehow became a partner of his in how that information would be used or interpreted. No employer in their right mind would ever agree to such a thing. The theory is ludicrous.

Para. 28: “As described above, due to their common interest in refuting any false allegations that he engaged in non-consensual sex, Mr. Ghomeshi confided in Thomson, Boyce and the CBC.” Okay, but Mr. Ghomeshi could not control how they would view the information he confided to them.

Para. 31: “In bad faith and violation of a mutual understanding of a common interest between itself and Mr. Ghomeshi, the CBC violated the confidence that it had been entrusted with over several months respecting Mr. Ghomeshi’s personal life and wrongfully used the confidential information obtained by it under the guise of trusted confidant, as the basis to terminate his employment.” Once Mr. Ghomeshi chose to share the personal information, he lost control over how it would be used. No blanket undertaking was or could have been given by the CBC that information provided to it would be used solely for the protection of Mr. Ghomeshi.

Para. 32: “Mr. Ghomeshi was not aware, and at no point did the CBC give notice, that it was continuing to conduct an investigation into Mr. Ghomeshi’s conduct or that the information disclosed to it would be used as the basis of his termination. Mr. Ghomeshi would not have shared information about his private life with the CBC, had he appreciated that the CBC would ultimately use the information provided to it to terminate his employment.” It was Mr. Ghomeshi’s decision to disclose the information, based on what he considered to be his best interests. That is the risk he took when the information was disclosed.

Mr. Ghomeshi’s statement of claim was filed on Monday, October 27, before a number of women came forward this week and alleged that he engaged in non-consensual sexual assault. In putting forth a case of termination for cause, our law permits an employer to rely on information it acquires after the fact. Mr. Ghomeshi’s claim was hopeless before, and is even more so now.

: An Analysis of Jian Ghomeshi’s Statement of Claim « Allan Rouben
 

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According to the info I have heard, as buddy is a unionized employee, he forfeits his right to sue the company or the union... Any wrongful dismissal issue has to be taken through the union and a grievance is forwarded on the employees behalf.

To date I have heard nothing from the union in terms of defending buddy.

Further, Ghomeshi forwarding damages north of $50MM is laughable... He has to provide some form of logic that this is an amount that he (has) will lose (present/future).... The lawsuit and the amount for damages was a pipe dream at best.


He doesn't have a leg to stand on, never did, never will. He is what he is.