Being very young and innocent at the time I only caught the tail end of the Dreadful Nonsense act. My interest was piqued, in a clinical way.
Why are many Christians so intolerant of other religions and spiritual paths?
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Being very young and innocent at the time I only caught the tail end of the Dreadful Nonsense act. My interest was piqued, in a clinical way.
Buddhism might just not be your forte, as is anything intellectual. It's not my philosophy , just a little bit from a thing called reading.
as for Doc Dred.....
yeah well Who Ever He Was He will be long remembered after you .
that says something about this character and the fact some CC bureaucrat changed his name is a plus and feather in his cap. Where ever he is, i'm sure he enjoys knowing he is not forgotton 7 years later.
Just so you know i am not this guy and the fact you have to resort to this tactic over and over without any real substance shows me you are some sort of ....well i dunno.. hayseed or hic
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You flatter yourself , .....for what reason? you don;t impress me , and it's no bother lol.
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At least you see your mediocrity, that is a start in the right direction.
Christian intolerance explained. Massey Lectures
These communities of the primitive Christians had long been accustomed to send forth their bare-footed apostles into all the known world, to inculcate the common brotherhood of man, founded on the common fatherhood of God, and to labour for the family of the human race. That had been the practice in the past which was afterwards made a matter of precept in the present, and a prospect for the future! For this ancient practice of the Essenes is reduced to the precept of the teacher made personal, who says, "Go your way; carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes;" and gives instructions to do the very things the Essenes had always done! The supposed personal teacher and historic founder of primitive Christianity is made to say
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to his followers, "A new commandment I give unto you that ye love one another." But the statement is entirely untrue. There was nothing new in it! This was a primary commandment of the Essenic communities who had practised the principles they professed, and had lived for ages according to the golden rule which is afterwards laid down as a divine command, a direct revelation from God, in the Gospels. No matter who the plagiarist may be, the teaching now held to be divine was drawn from older human sources, and palmed off under false pretensions. Josephus declares in his account of the Essenes, that "Whatever they say is firmer than an oath; but swearing is entirely avoided by them. They consider it worse than perjury." And such is the original revelation in the Gospel. But I was sorry to find, in the Clementine Homilies, that the same speaker breaks the Essenic pledge, for it is there written,--"And Christ said (with an oath), Verily I say unto you, unless ye be born again of the water of life, ye cannot enter in the kingdom of heaven." Thus we have an Essene who swears as well as tipples and plays the part of Bacchus. Again, Jesus is presented as the original revealer of the mysteries and author of the Gnosis. He says to his disciples,--"It is given you to know the mysteries of heaven;" but the Essenic Communities always had been composed of those who were in possession of the Gnosis, and had already obtained and sacredly preserved the knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, which they had taught only in parables.
The divine morality inculcated in the Sayings ascribed to Jesus had been completely forestalled by the Essenes in their lives and works, their individual characters, common practices, and societary conditions. His words are but a later echo of their very human deeds. We are told that Jesus taught mankind to pray,--"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." But this was exactly what the pre-historic Christians had been working out in life. They strove to found the kingdom there and then, and realise the world to come in this. Everything noble and ennobling, unselfish and spiritual, in the ethics of Jesus, or rather in the sayings assigned to him as a teacher of men, had been anticipated by the Egyptians, the Essenes, and the primitive Christians of the Gnostic religion. Nothing new remained to be inculcated by the Gospel of the new teacher, who is merely made to repeat the old sayings with a pretentious air of supernatural authority; the result being that the true sayings of old are, of necessity, conveyed to later times in a delusive manner. The commandments are not new. Life and immortality were not brought to light by any personal Jesus, but by the Christ of the Gnosis. The most important proclamation assigned to Jesus turned out to be false. The kingdom of God was not at hand; the world was not nearing its end; the catastrophe foretold never occurred; the second coming was no more actual than the first; the lost sheep of Israel are not yet saved. And the supposed Divine Truth in very person remains exposed as the genuine false prophet to this day, or rather as the mere mouthpiece of the most ignorant beliefs of that day.
Again, if the pupil of Ben Perachia was an Essene, or, as reputed, an initiate in Egyptian mysteries, he never could have endorsed the mistakes attributed to Moses; never would have died for the reality of a parable, which he must have known to be astronomical. As one of the Magi or an Essene, he would understand the "Doctrine of Angels," i.e., of the cycles of time, the character of the Kronian Messiah and the Coming in 400 years, according to the prophecy of Esdras. He would know the celestial nature of the Seventy-two whose names were written in Heaven as servants of the Lord of Light, and who had been with him "from the beginning" as the opponents of the Seventy-two Sami who served Sut-Typhon, the devil of darkness. He would know that the myths were not to be fulfilled in human history, and could not have personally set up the crazy claim that he was the messenger of Hebrew prophecy in person. No. The claims are made in his name by those who naturalized the Mythos on its Hebrew-Aramaic line of descent in Matthew, Egyptian in Luke, and Greek in John. What we do hear is not the voice of the founder teaching one thing at one time and the direct opposite at another; we hear the voices of the different sections, each proclaiming its own particular doctrines and dogmas, each assigning them to the Christ as their typical teacher, in the course of making out a personal history from the Mythos, and of giving vent to their own particular prejudices. The sayings of the Lord were pre-historic, as the sayings of David (who was an earlier Christ), the sayings of Horus the Lord, of Elijah the Lord, of Mana the Lord, of Christ the Lord, as the divine directions conveyed by the ancient teachings. As the "Sayings of the Lord" they were collected in Aramaic to become the nuclei of the earliest Christian gospel according to Matthew. So says Papias. At a later date they were put forth as the original revelation of a personal teacher, and were made the foundation of the historical fiction concocted in the four gospels that were canonized at last. In proving that Joshua or Jesus was an Essene there would be no more rest here than anywhere else for the sole of your foot upon the ground of historic fact. You
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could not make him to be the Founder of the Essene, Nazarite or Gnostic Brotherhoods, and communities of the genuine primitive Christians that were extant in various countries a very long while before the Era called Christian.
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to make room for the New and Improved
More efficient
Roomier for the legs
Better packaging for ease of shipping
These communities of the primitive Christians had long been accustomed to send forth their bare-footed apostles into all the known world, to inculcate the common brotherhood of man, founded on the common fatherhood of God, and to labour for the family of the human race. That had been the practice in the past which was afterwards made a matter of precept in the present, and a prospect for the future! For this ancient practice of the Essenes is reduced to the precept of the teacher made personal, who says, "Go your way; carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes;" and gives instructions to do the very things the Essenes had always done! The supposed personal teacher and historic founder of primitive Christianity is made to say
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to his followers, "A new commandment I give unto you that ye love one another." But the statement is entirely untrue. There was nothing new in it! This was a primary commandment of the Essenic communities who had practised the principles they professed, and had lived for ages according to the golden rule which is afterwards laid down as a divine command, a direct revelation from God, in the Gospels. No matter who the plagiarist may be, the teaching now held to be divine was drawn from older human sources, and palmed off under false pretensions. Josephus declares in his account of the Essenes, that "Whatever they say is firmer than an oath; but swearing is entirely avoided by them. They consider it worse than perjury." And such is the original revelation in the Gospel. But I was sorry to find, in the Clementine Homilies, that the same speaker breaks the Essenic pledge, for it is there written,--"And Christ said (with an oath), Verily I say unto you, unless ye be born again of the water of life, ye cannot enter in the kingdom of heaven." Thus we have an Essene who swears as well as tipples and plays the part of Bacchus. Again, Jesus is presented as the original revealer of the mysteries and author of the Gnosis. He says to his disciples,--"It is given you to know the mysteries of heaven;" but the Essenic Communities always had been composed of those who were in possession of the Gnosis, and had already obtained and sacredly preserved the knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, which they had taught only in parables.
The divine morality inculcated in the Sayings ascribed to Jesus had been completely forestalled by the Essenes in their lives and works, their individual characters, common practices, and societary conditions. His words are but a later echo of their very human deeds. We are told that Jesus taught mankind to pray,--"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." But this was exactly what the pre-historic Christians had been working out in life. They strove to found the kingdom there and then, and realise the world to come in this. Everything noble and ennobling, unselfish and spiritual, in the ethics of Jesus, or rather in the sayings assigned to him as a teacher of men, had been anticipated by the Egyptians, the Essenes, and the primitive Christians of the Gnostic religion. Nothing new remained to be inculcated by the Gospel of the new teacher, who is merely made to repeat the old sayings with a pretentious air of supernatural authority; the result being that the true sayings of old are, of necessity, conveyed to later times in a delusive manner. The commandments are not new. Life and immortality were not brought to light by any personal Jesus, but by the Christ of the Gnosis. The most important proclamation assigned to Jesus turned out to be false. The kingdom of God was not at hand; the world was not nearing its end; the catastrophe foretold never occurred; the second coming was no more actual than the first; the lost sheep of Israel are not yet saved. And the supposed Divine Truth in very person remains exposed as the genuine false prophet to this day, or rather as the mere mouthpiece of the most ignorant beliefs of that day.
Again, if the pupil of Ben Perachia was an Essene, or, as reputed, an initiate in Egyptian mysteries, he never could have endorsed the mistakes attributed to Moses; never would have died for the reality of a parable, which he must have known to be astronomical. As one of the Magi or an Essene, he would understand the "Doctrine of Angels," i.e., of the cycles of time, the character of the Kronian Messiah and the Coming in 400 years, according to the prophecy of Esdras. He would know the celestial nature of the Seventy-two whose names were written in Heaven as servants of the Lord of Light, and who had been with him "from the beginning" as the opponents of the Seventy-two Sami who served Sut-Typhon, the devil of darkness. He would know that the myths were not to be fulfilled in human history, and could not have personally set up the crazy claim that he was the messenger of Hebrew prophecy in person. No. The claims are made in his name by those who naturalized the Mythos on its Hebrew-Aramaic line of descent in Matthew, Egyptian in Luke, and Greek in John. What we do hear is not the voice of the founder teaching one thing at one time and the direct opposite at another; we hear the voices of the different sections, each proclaiming its own particular doctrines and dogmas, each assigning them to the Christ as their typical teacher, in the course of making out a personal history from the Mythos, and of giving vent to their own particular prejudices. The sayings of the Lord were pre-historic, as the sayings of David (who was an earlier Christ), the sayings of Horus the Lord, of Elijah the Lord, of Mana the Lord, of Christ the Lord, as the divine directions conveyed by the ancient teachings. As the "Sayings of the Lord" they were collected in Aramaic to become the nuclei of the earliest Christian gospel according to Matthew. So says Papias. At a later date they were put forth as the original revelation of a personal teacher, and were made the foundation of the historical fiction concocted in the four gospels that were canonized at last. In proving that Joshua or Jesus was an Essene there would be no more rest here than anywhere else for the sole of your foot upon the ground of historic fact. You
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could not make him to be the Founder of the Essene, Nazarite or Gnostic Brotherhoods, and communities of the genuine primitive Christians that were extant in various countries a very long while before the Era called Christian.
DB { so they all had to go}
to make room for the New and Improved
More efficient
Roomier for the legs
Better packaging for ease of shipping
Pagan High Priest Finds Few Believers Inside an Arkansas City Hall
Is Mr. Dahl’s dream of opening a Pagan temple next to his house being denied because the idea does not go over so well in this Bible Belt town?
Was the 35-foot-tall lighthouse across the street — constructed by a Pentecostal church soon after Mr. Dahl moved to the neighborhood — flashing its light into his windows to harass him? And just what is a 35-foot lighthouse doing in landlocked Beebe anyway?
Mr. Dahl suspects the city government began discriminating against him once local officials realized he was a Pagan.
“If we’d had any inkling we’d have such problems we’d never have moved here,” Mr. Dahl said. “We’re absolutely being discriminated because of our religion.”
Before the move, Mr. Dahl stopped by the mayor’s cavernous furniture outlet, where he bought a few sofas for the new house and introduced himself. Mr. Dahl said that the mayor expressed no reservations when he notified him he would be opening a pagan house of worship on the property, across from the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church.
Meanwhile, Mr. Dahl said, members of the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church, including its founder and bishop, John Scheel, began harassing him, visiting the house numerous times to ask him to convert to Christianity, warning him of the “evil trickery of the Pagan Devil” and calling his number to play gospel music over the phone. The lighthouse was built between February and April; the rotating light, Mr. Dahl said, shone across his windows for weeks.
On May 21, Mr. Dahl burst into the Lighthouse Church and complained, boisterously. A week later he was arrested by the Beebe police and charged with harassing communications and disorderly conduct. Mr. Dahl has pleaded not guilty.
Mr. Scheel said that the church had nothing against Mr. Dahl, and disputed his version of events. He said his father had made just one visit to Mr. Dahl’s house, welcoming the Dahls as new neighbors. The brick lighthouse, he said, had been long in the works, replacing a wood-framed model that was destroyed by a tornado that flattened much of Beebe in January 1999.
“I don’t feel that we need a Pagan church in Beebe,” Louis Collachi, a resident, told a television news crew. “It’s a very religious community.”
more
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/u...est-finds-few-believers-inside-city-hall.html
Is Mr. Dahl’s dream of opening a Pagan temple next to his house being denied because the idea does not go over so well in this Bible Belt town?
Was the 35-foot-tall lighthouse across the street — constructed by a Pentecostal church soon after Mr. Dahl moved to the neighborhood — flashing its light into his windows to harass him? And just what is a 35-foot lighthouse doing in landlocked Beebe anyway?
Mr. Dahl suspects the city government began discriminating against him once local officials realized he was a Pagan.
“If we’d had any inkling we’d have such problems we’d never have moved here,” Mr. Dahl said. “We’re absolutely being discriminated because of our religion.”
Before the move, Mr. Dahl stopped by the mayor’s cavernous furniture outlet, where he bought a few sofas for the new house and introduced himself. Mr. Dahl said that the mayor expressed no reservations when he notified him he would be opening a pagan house of worship on the property, across from the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church.
Meanwhile, Mr. Dahl said, members of the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church, including its founder and bishop, John Scheel, began harassing him, visiting the house numerous times to ask him to convert to Christianity, warning him of the “evil trickery of the Pagan Devil” and calling his number to play gospel music over the phone. The lighthouse was built between February and April; the rotating light, Mr. Dahl said, shone across his windows for weeks.
On May 21, Mr. Dahl burst into the Lighthouse Church and complained, boisterously. A week later he was arrested by the Beebe police and charged with harassing communications and disorderly conduct. Mr. Dahl has pleaded not guilty.
Mr. Scheel said that the church had nothing against Mr. Dahl, and disputed his version of events. He said his father had made just one visit to Mr. Dahl’s house, welcoming the Dahls as new neighbors. The brick lighthouse, he said, had been long in the works, replacing a wood-framed model that was destroyed by a tornado that flattened much of Beebe in January 1999.
“I don’t feel that we need a Pagan church in Beebe,” Louis Collachi, a resident, told a television news crew. “It’s a very religious community.”
more
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/u...est-finds-few-believers-inside-city-hall.html
It only makes Christians appear more intolerant because there are more of them than in any other religion. When you read what they are expected to believe, one can only conclude they are more confused than irrationally intolerant. There is a reason why theological doctrines are to be accepted on faith because there are no rational or scientific basis for it, or they would not be called theological doctrines.
Depends on what is defined as a 'Christian'....as it's a broad brush.
It's like saying all Moslems are Terrorists (when they aren't), but all
(or damn close to it) Terrorists in the news are Moslems.....
Well that's the thing right? People are too easily confused and they make assumptions.
It's like with cooking, the saying is "Don't drink the wine you cook with but you should cook with the wine you drink." It's not saying the same thing, but people often assume it is.
All terrorists are Muslim is not the same thing as saying all Muslims are terrorists. But people assume if you say the first thing then you must mean the second.
Your post made me give Walter a red.
So you read a book that you don't understand and condemn them for acting in a matter that would seem to contradict the words in that same book. Perhaps the bit in 2Thess:2 that is termed a 'delusion' would apply here as being part of the issue if we were in the last era of prophecy before glorification. The chapter starts off saying a few things had to happen before that can take place, a falling away and the 'man of sin' has to be exposed. The 'man of sin' being exposed would be on the day the 2 witnesses are resurrected, before then a delusion will result in a falling away from truth as taught by the 4 Gospels and the other books that make up the entire Bible. The disillusioned are more in number than the ones not affected.
The had it right in 325AD but by 500AD that falling away had started and the Latin Bible was the biggest help. In Da:8 there are a few verses about a 'little horn' that comes from the north-west, that is Rome and the verses cover the whole 500 year rule and it 'ends' with them trampling on the truth that God had given them. Their role in the cross is in those verses also as well as in the 70 week prophecy. The 'he' in the later verse is a reference to God that Daniel was praying to at the start of the passage. 'Even in troublesome times' covers everything in the area until the time of Jesus and the events the Gospel covers. Some of the things in the list of accomplishments is referencing Ge:3:15.
Yeah, it does come across like someone is try'n to take much of the
fun out'a cooking, doesn't it?
I want to live there.
....this is a religious discussion, more or less, so out'a curiosity, who
are the terrorists you are referring to that're killing less Americans than
the Americans themselves are killing?
Americans aren't a religion, but a nationality that you've pointed out.
Whomever these terrorists are, are they a nationality(s) or a religion(s)?
Who are these terrorists?
I was responding to SLM.
More Americans have been killed by Americans than all the terrorist combined. But that is not the same things as saying Americans are better at killing than terrorists.
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Yeah, I get that, but am just looking for clarification on your reference.
I have no dog in this hunt. I'm not Christian, or even religious (though spiritual,
but that's another discussion, and I'm not recruiting). Just curious as to "whom"
the terrorists are in your reference.
Just to show I can go over the top also.
My last post was interrupted by something called a dog who seems to be pretty insistent that I attend to his needs, night or day. If the message has a right and wrong version then we all know the 'wrong one' but what happens when the right one makes a fleeting glimpse in our lives that makes the difference between being a 'child of the light' (understanding the prophecies) and one who doesn't even see any part in the 'correct light'. If you don't understand that God can and does save everybody except for some fallen angels then you are operating under that 'different doctrine'