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Corduroy

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Canada may be even more out of touch the the rest of the planet since we have purity much given up on defending ourselves since we have no possible way of ever defending ourselves against the states, and anything strong enough to conquer us would pose such a threat to the states they would have to intervene. That means we have even more distorted reality then any other country on earth.

I do love how you Freudian slipped the word "purity" into that. ;-)
 

Corduroy

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Oh here comes the feminist agenda trying to make us ashamed of being males

 

darkbeaver

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To some extent, yes. The fittest societies are those able to defend themselves, to recognize their enemies, and to act, sometimes violently, in their own interests.

Most of those nations you mentioned failed to recognize their enemies and defended the established oligarchic cliques at the expense of their societies. This is the consistent underlying result of transnational oligarchic cohesion and alliances which today are as closely intertwined. This marriage is starting to unravel as the economic crisis coupled with war taxes these dirty unions to the hilt.
The fifth columns have been far more effective than any open upfront clash of arms in destroying nations from within. The CBC and CTV are more to be feared then any Islamic horde in Canada.
 

Twila

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Most of those nations you mentioned failed to recognize their enemies and defended the established oligarchic cliques at the expense of their societies. This is the consistent underlying result of transnational oligarchic cohesion and alliances which today are as closely intertwined. This marriage is starting to unravel as the economic crisis coupled with war taxes these dirty unions to the hilt.
The fifth columns have been far more effective than any open upfront clash of arms in destroying nations from within. The CBC and CTV are more to be feared then any Islamic horde in Canada.

so basically tradition for traditions sake is bad?
 

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Egypt

Greece

Persia

Rome

France

Spain

Netherlands

England

United States

Do you see a single entity in the list of great nations that was NOT gratuitously violent??

Violence is not usually what makes a society great (Spain may be the exception) but a society well familiar with violence is able to defend that which makes it great.

A pacifist, non-violent society is simply doomed.
Off the top of my head, the Minoan Empire, the Hanseatic League, the Lombard League in large part, and FIFA.

And, nice false dichotomy. Berserk genocidal blood-drenched conqueror and daisy-weaving pacifist aren't the only options. Several successful empires fought only when attacked.
 

Corduroy

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so basically tradition for traditions sake is bad?

Usually. The only time people feel the need to make that argument is when a tradition has no other rationalization. Our societies are built on violence and oppression. Conservatives argue for traditional values because they benefit from that violence and oppression.

Off the top of my head, the Minoan Empire, the Hanseatic League, the Lombard League in large part, and FIFA.

And, nice false dichotomy. Berserk genocidal blood-drenched conqueror and daisy-weaving pacifist aren't the only options. Several successful empires fought only when attacked.

It's also a very selective list with no understanding of history beyond a 60 year old Western education, minus even the ones he should have heard of but deliberately left out because well if you call Russia or Germany a great civilization you might get the wrong idea about that violence and murder being awesome.
 

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so basically tradition for traditions sake is bad?
Yep. It's the logical fallacy of argumentum ad antiquitatem, which holds that merely because something is old, it must be good. Slavery, genocide, sexism, racial discrimination, religious persecution, child labour, and conquest are all "traditional." They kinda suck.

Usually. The only time people feel the need to make that argument is when a tradition has no other rationalization. Our societies are built on violence and oppression. Conservatives argue for traditional values because they benefit from that violence and oppression.



It's also a very selective list with no understanding of history beyond a 60 year old Western education, minus even the ones he should have heard of but deliberately left out because well if you call Russia or Germany a great civilization you might get the wrong idea about that violence and murder being awesome.
Well, it IS cherry-picking season. . .

I also left out the Triple Alliance, the Inka, the Maya Empire, and the Haudenosaunee Federation, because that would inevitably lead to a lot of racial BS I don't feel like dealing with.
 

Corduroy

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During Christmas, I adorn my home with the usual pagan symbols of the holiday, despite not being a pagan. It's a tradition. There's no reason for me to do it other than that.
 

darkbeaver

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so basically tradition for traditions sake is bad?

Exactly. Which is better a tradition of peace or a tradition of war? Which takes greater men and women to nurture and sustain? Which serves society better? What does fittest mean, fittest at armed conflict or fittest at the preservation of peace? I think any fool can bayonette another man in a trench but few can think and stay their hand in favour of reason. Who has never lost at war? Who always survives? Who grows fatter and fatter with every conflict?
 

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Usually. The only time people feel the need to make that argument is when a tradition has no other rationalization. Our societies are built on violence and oppression. Conservatives argue for traditional values because they benefit from that violence and oppression.

Without the United States dominating the world by force. Would we know the peaceful time we have.

It's naive to think we have peace because we are peaceful. Colpy's article talks of those stupid innocent humans
We have peace because we have potential to be outright dominant with our violence, that nothing dares to anger us.
 

Twila

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Exactly. Which is better a tradition of peace or a tradition of war? Which takes greater men and women to nurture and sustain? Which serves society better? What does fittest mean, fittest at armed conflict or fittest at the preservation of peace? I think any fool can bayonette another man in a trench but few can think and stay their hand in favour of reason. Who has never lost at war? Who always survives? Who grows fatter and fatter with every conflict?

Less greed might equal less war. A contented individual does not seek altercations.
 

Twila

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And how are you going to stop people from being greedy? It's one of our basic functions as humans.

Are you really wanting to discuss this or are you just looking to beat your chest and parade around?
 

Angstrom

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Greed is a human fault not a function.
It's a tool nature has given us to survive. I'd say humans are doing very well in that department.

Like colpy's article says. You are so out of touch with reality you think you're greatest trait, the one that's made humans what we are today, a fault. Without greed humans would still be animal's.

Try reading the news sometime.

The United states has 3 bombs for every human being on earth.

Are you really wanting to discuss this or are you just looking to beat your chest and parade around?
It's impossible to eliminate greed from humans. Without greed humans would not be humans. It's a big part of why we live the way we do today.