Obama; Best salesman ever?
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Amazing how some people fail to pick up on "tongue in cheek" unless the purple ink is used! -
You never know. We've not heard a peep from the Anti-War crowd since Obama took office. I am under the impression that THESE recent "illegal wars" (Libya, Syria, etc.) have their approval. There just isn't the uproar.
The problem with wars is it's hard to tell whether they are justified or not until they are over. One way or another these ISIS a$$holes have to go.
It's a number of things, I think.
- Different people are running the Western governments of Obama's coalition this time around.
- Obama is a good salesman. Nobody liked Bush. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing and has gone on to bomb Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and now Syria.
- This war is at least pretending to be humanitarian. Bush's excuses were transparent lies. Western government's can pretend they are doing good.
- This war is also pretending to be just airstrikes. Most people have bad memories.
And some of Obama's allies are Arab states. In the Iraq war, Bush was upsetting the status quo. In this war, it's ISIS that is upsetting the status quo. More than anything, Iraq's neighbours want to hang on to power.
- Different people are running the Western governments of Obama's coalition this time around.
- Obama is a good salesman. Nobody liked Bush. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing and has gone on to bomb Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and now Syria.
- This war is at least pretending to be humanitarian. Bush's excuses were transparent lies. Western government's can pretend they are doing good.
- This war is also pretending to be just airstrikes. Most people have bad memories.
And some of Obama's allies are Arab states. In the Iraq war, Bush was upsetting the status quo. In this war, it's ISIS that is upsetting the status quo. More than anything, Iraq's neighbours want to hang on to power.
That's a loaded question.
That would be Saudi Arabia. They are easily confused. One is a totalitarian Islamic fundamentalist state that funds terror, oppresses women, religious minorities and publicly beheads enemies, and is a US ally. The other is a totalitarian Islamic fundamentalist state that funds terror, oppresses women, religious minorities and publicly beheads enemies, and is not a US ally. Big difference.
Nope, but who knows where your train of thought is leading you. It's best just to stay away.
I have said repeatedly we are at war with an ideology and the reality is setting in.
How did this happen? Well the thugs in Afghanistan attacked America in NY.
Instead of dealing with that we attacked Iraq which did not have weapons of mass
destruction and they were not in league with terrorists. They were under a
dictatorship true but Saddam controlled the gateway to the Middle East as it were.
By taking him out a vacuum was created and now we live with madmen running
across the land murdering and executing not only Christians and others of non
Muslim belief they are also killing the moderates in many cases.
This is a new form of religion fascism that we've allowed to go unchecked and they
are embolden tot he point where even those who hate each other may have to unite
to defeat
These nut cases are training people to come home to our part of the world and we
will reap the whirlwind of chaos and hate that we allowed to go unchecked. At least
we are waking up to the fact we are at war.
How did this happen? Well the thugs in Afghanistan attacked America in NY.
Instead of dealing with that we attacked Iraq which did not have weapons of mass
destruction and they were not in league with terrorists. They were under a
dictatorship true but Saddam controlled the gateway to the Middle East as it were.
By taking him out a vacuum was created and now we live with madmen running
across the land murdering and executing not only Christians and others of non
Muslim belief they are also killing the moderates in many cases.
This is a new form of religion fascism that we've allowed to go unchecked and they
are embolden tot he point where even those who hate each other may have to unite
to defeat
These nut cases are training people to come home to our part of the world and we
will reap the whirlwind of chaos and hate that we allowed to go unchecked. At least
we are waking up to the fact we are at war.
Totally valid statement until you look at the regimes that are part of the US Forces, they all have a standing record of being the most brutal dictatorship that the Mid-East has ever had, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Jordan
Perhaps the West should concentrate on cleaning them and itself up before they take on Syria, Iran and Russia.
Hate to break it to you but they were gifts rather than being stolen. It's one thingh to not know what your employees are doing behind your back but then you lie to protect their crimes.
You make the assumption that ISIS should be dealt with and then asking me to find an alternative solution to the one you like. I do not accept the parameters of the question.
It's a lose/lose situation. If we need to deal with ISIS and we don't then we've lost our own argument. If we bomb them, we will not succeed, and so again we've lost. There are other alternatives to "dealing with ISIS" none of which involve actually defeating ISIS, which is a near impossibility, or won't result in an even worse problem (see: the origins of ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda). No solution will work because meddling in the Middle East is what creates these problems. How should we deal with ISIS? At this point we are lucky that ISIS is not a threat to us. The real question few people are asking is why should we deal with ISIS?
We have to stop DOUCHE because they behead people, oppress women, and tax people in areas they control.
Good thing Saudi Arabia is on our side in this.
Good thing Saudi Arabia is on our side in this.
Bush was the most intelligent president ever. He's the genius behind the Bush Doctrine, the idea that threats need to be neutralized preemptively. He knew that ISIS would threaten the Middle East, so he invaded Iraq and bombed the **** out of it before ISIS even existed. But then Obama pulled out of Iraq and ISIS formed in Syria and invaded Iraq, exactly what the Bush doctrine tried to prevent.