That sounds about right. Cold Feet in voting booth... solid prediction.
It would be fun to see BL take a k-nip-****e but I think the Scots will stay.
The Brits are begging (as usual) and dealing so that may just be enough.
Scotland might just show the rest of us the way to reset social democracy
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That sounds about right. Cold Feet in voting booth... solid prediction.
It would be fun to see BL take a k-nip-****e but I think the Scots will stay.
The Brits are begging (as usual) and dealing so that may just be enough.
Begging to keep royalties on north sea oil and gas. It would be a horrendous blow to Brit economy.
I do hope they vote YES to independence get those Royals off the throan
and put the Stewart's back on the throne. We need an independent
Scotland to end the occupation by the English. It will be close but hopefully
enough Mac Donald's will remember and vote yes.
and put the Stewart's back on the throne. We need an independent
Scotland to end the occupation by the English. It will be close but hopefully
enough Mac Donald's will remember and vote yes.
I'm pretty sure "Blackie" would be relieved his own people would be able to make (and vote on) his own peoples' laws and regulations after the English people are finally able to have a vote on their membership of the EU. Furthermore, the Scots, not being members of the EU, will also be able to finally prosper as an independent country outside of the EU.
Though the fate of the referendum has captured the minds of the public at large, the effects of a "Yes" vote might be in the interest of everybody.
The oil is dwindling. North Sea oil production peaked in 1999. Oil prices are also extremely volatile and the Scots Nats are playing a dangerous game if they think they can base the economy of an independent Scotland on oil.
As for "Scotland's" gas, most of the North Sea gas fields are in English waters, so an independent Scotland won't get most of the North Sea gas.
In fact, the SNP - who are consistently lying to the Scottish people in order to try and get a YES vote - keep saying that "90%" of North Sea oil belongs to Scotland. But what they don't tell the Scottish people is that they include in those figures North Sea gas and, as I've pointed out, most of that gas is in English waters.
I'm looking forward to their next war.
That would be very interesting, because the SNP haven't told the Scottish people what sort of military an independent Scotland would have. Of course, the Scots would suddenly find themselves "defended" by a tiny military. The military issue, like the currency issue, is one of the many uncertainties surrounding an independent Scotland, and is one reason why the Scots will vote against independence on Thursday next week.
The Stuarts were kicked off the throne because they were tyrannical rulers; Absolute Monarchs who believed in the Divine Right of Kings. The best thing we did was kick those Scots off the Throne and bring in Constitutional Monarchy.
Yet you wish that an independent Scotland will become an Absolute Monarchy.
A few days ago a poll showed the YES side had taken the lead for the first time.
But now a new poll released late last night shows the NO side back ahead, albeit narrowly.
TNS poll released last night
NO: 39%
YES: 38%
UNDECIDED: 23%
Last night on Sky News, the Odd Couple of Fleet Street - the left wing Kevin Maguire, the Associate Editor of the Daily Mirror, and the right wing Andrew Pierce, Consultant Editor of the Daily Mail (they're like a comedy duo) - were doing their regular late night previews of the next day's newspapers.
They pointed to the fact that the pound fell against the dollar and other currencies when that poll a few days ago announced that the YES side had taken the lead for the first time and, as a result, Scottish businesses were being damaged as their share prices were hit. So Pierce and Maguire were saying that Scots will look at that and say: "No. I think independence will be damaging for Scotland and Scottish businesses" and so most of those undecided voters will decide to vote NO, and that will clinch it for the NO side.
They also believe that the YES side have peaked too soon.
Well the Tories keep saying that if they are re-elected next year they will give the British people an EU in/out referendum in 2017.
But Ukip don't believe the Tories will stick to their promise (Cameron may appear to be anti-EU but, deep down inside, he's a rabid Europhile) and that the only way to get an EU in/out referendum is to vote in a Ukip government next year.
Also, I think it's a myth that the Scots are more pro-EU than the English. The Left keep peddling that myth, but it isn't true. Polls have been done which shows the Scots are very bit as anti-EU as the English are.
The problem for the Scots is that the SNP want an independent Scotland to rejoin the EU as a new Member State. That's why the SNP - unlike Ukip - are NOT a true nationalist party. They don't want an independent Scotland. They just want to swap rule from London for rule from Brussels. No country within the EU is a true independent sovereign state.
This is another area where the SNP have been lying to the Scottish people. They keep telling the Scottish people that an independent Scotland would be in the EU straightaway. That it wouldn't have to rejoin it as it is already in the EU as part of the UK. But Eurocrat after eurocrat have come out time and time again and said that an independent Scotland would find itself OUTSIDE the EU and that it would take time for it to rejoin as it would have to join a queue. I'm no fan of the EU but, in this instance, I'm more inclined to believe what the eurocrats themselves say rather than the SNP.
Another thing the SNP never tell the Scottish people is that, once Scotland is back in the EU, it will at some point have to join the euro. All EU member states, with the exception of Britain and Denmark, are required to join the euro at some point. Most Scots are AGAINST joining the euro, but an independent Scotland within the EU would eventually have to adopt it. |That's something else Scottish voters will have to remember come referendum day.
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My favourite columnist, Richard Littlejohn, on the foul-mouthed Cybernats, anti-English racism, and SNP liars:
Stop the referendum – I am declaring myself independent
Richard Littlejohn
Daily Mail
9 September 2014
Daily Mail
9 September 2014
Don’t panic! The No camp has gone into full Lance Corporal Jones mode following the publication of a poll putting the Yes campaign ahead on points.
Yesterday, we were told we had ten days to save the Union. Make that nine. Her Maj is not amused.
Until now, I’ve steered clear of the debate on Scottish independence. Like everyone else outside Scotland, I don’t get a vote and nothing I say is likely to make the slightest bit of difference to the outcome of the referendum.
I’m also assuming that most Mail readers in Scotland have already made up their minds and will overwhelmingly vote No. But the world and his significant other are now wading in, so I might as well put in my three penn’orth.
For the record, I’m viscerally, emotionally and politically in favour of the United Kingdom remaining intact. I’m also appalled at the way both sides have conducted themselves.
Don't panic! The No camp has gone into full Lance Corporal Jones mode following the publication of a poll putting the Yes campaign ahead on points
The pro-independence campaign is a toxic confection of mendacity, intimidation and anti-English racism. Alex Salmond and his supporters have lied through their teeth, especially about the ‘Tory privatisation’ of the NHS.
The health service in Scotland is wholly run by the Scottish government, propped up with English taxes. The Tories couldn’t ‘privatise’ it even if they wanted to.
Salmond is a classic example of a man who exercises power without responsibility. Everything wrong with Scotland is blamed on England, even in areas where the Parliament in Westminster has no jurisdiction.
Salmond isn’t prepared to use the powers he has already. Ever since devolution, the Scottish executive has been able to raise or lower income tax by up to three pence in the pound. It hasn’t happened.
Not that there was ever any chance that any pro-independence Scottish politician would lower taxes — or raise them, when they could rely on taxpayers in the rest of the UK to pick up the bills.
A few years ago, I made a TV documentary about the amount of money transferred from London to Scotland every year. Back then it was around £5billion.
I tracked down Joel Barnett, the minister who came up with the ‘Barnett Formula’, the method by which Scotland receives a disproportionately generous financial settlement from the Treasury. He told me the ‘formula’ was a back-of-an-envelope plan to get Labour through the 1979 general election. It was never intended to last in perpetuity.
Yet 35 years later, it is still in force and is regarded by the Scots as an entitlement.
SNP leader Alex Salmond and his supporters have lied through their teeth to the Scottish people, especially about the ‘Tory privatisation’ of the NHS. A fortnight ago it emerged Glasgow's health bosses have awarded a big private contract to Weight Watchers, which will take many of the city's overweight people out of NHS care
If Scotland becomes independent, that money will dry up. How will it be replaced? Salmond won’t say, even as he continues to offer Scottish voters a vision of ‘free’ everything, from tuition fees to false teeth. The sums simply don’t add up without huge increases in taxation.
When he’s not lying about the NHS, or side-stepping questions about where the money is going to come from to fund his Caledonian utopia, Salmond spends his time stoking the unattractive streak of grievance and victimhood which sadly infects sections of Scottish society.
The behaviour of the so-called Cybernats and the foul-mouthed boot boys who have disrupted No rallies is frankly repulsive. I don’t dispute that most supporters of independence are civilised, passionate and sincere, but they have been drowned out by the hate mob.
Surely the campaign would have been more dignified and good humoured had it taken its tone from pro-independence advocates like the wonderful comedian and actress Elaine C. Smith, rather than from violent Trots and internet trolls.
If the intention has been to persuade English observers to conclude ‘good riddance’ to Scotland, it has proved effective. Out here in Daily Mail Land, most people value the Union and want it to endure. But increasingly I get the impression that if the Scots do vote to split, it would be greeted with a collective shrug of indifference.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
That would be a tragedy. The greatest political marriage in history deserves better. Frankly, though, the No campaign has been risible.
Instead of pro-Unionists carving a convincing narrative and celebrating our collective strengths and achievements, the Scots have been subjected to a patronising combination of threats and love-bombs.
The Conservatives have largely gone AWOL, probably from fear of being howled down as ‘Tory Scum’ as soon as they set foot on the platform at Edinburgh’s Waverley Station.
OK, so the intervention of ministers widely perceived as a bunch of privileged Hooray Henries might prove counter-productive. But withdrawing from the fray does a disservice to the 419,000 Scots who voted Tory at the last election — only 70-odd thousand fewer than voted SNP.
Passport please: Motorway service areas on the A1 and the A74M will start to resemble the dockside at Calais
Instead, the argument is left to Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown, the two men primarily responsible for bankrupting Britain. Asking Gordon to lecture the Scots about the dangers of losing their pensions was a master-stroke.
Then there was Ed Miliband jetting in to reassure people they needn’t worry about being run by a Conservative government in future because he was going to win the next election.
Missing you already, Ed.
The love letters to Scotland from assorted celebs have been pathetic. At times the No campaign has come across like a needy, neurotic teenage girl pleading with her boyfriend not to dump her.
The No argument is left to Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown, the two men primarily responsible for bankrupting Britain. Asking Gordon to lecture the Scots about the dangers of losing their pensions was a master-stroke.
In the wake of the poll putting the Yes vote ahead for the first time, the Prime Minister has upped the ante and is attempting to bribe the Scots to stay.
All three main parties are offering to give Scotland even more power if voters graciously agree to remain part of the United Kingdom. The Tories would give the Scottish government full control of income tax.
This is appeasement, pure and simple. Get off your knees, Dave. We shouldn’t have to beg the Scots to stay.
If conceding more power is the way ahead, why wouldn’t Scotland simply vote to go the whole hog? The ‘union’ would exist in name only.
And has anyone bothered to ask the English, who make up 90 per cent of the UK, what they think about granting Scotland yet more preferential treatment?
Of course not. My guess is that whichever way the vote goes next week, the English are going to become increasingly grumpy about being treated as second-class citizens.
Why are Scots who think they should run their own affairs considered romantic patriots, yet those of us who believe that Britain should be independent of Brussels are smeared as racists or ‘Little Englanders’?
The dishonesty and vitriol coming out of Scotland right now makes the heart sink. If this campaign looks depressing and demeaning from south of the border, it’s even more acute for Unionists living in Scotland.
If the vote is ‘Yes’ it won’t just be businesses getting out. There’ll be an exodus of Scots who consider themselves both Scottish and British heading for the high road to England.
Refugees will be stowing away in the back of lorries crossing checkpoints at the new frontier. A giant transit camp will spring up outside Ecclefechan, and motorway service areas on the A1 and the A74M will start to resemble the dockside at Calais.
And if Scotland secedes, where will it end? Will Welsh nationalism stir again? Why shouldn’t London become independent, too? Or Yorkshire. While we’re at it, let’s break up all the big city super-councils and restore the old boroughs and counties.
Asking Gordon to lecture the Scots about the dangers of losing their pensions was a master-stroke
In a perfect world, I’d like to gain my own individual independence from Westminster.
Life would be much better if I could set my own taxes, or arrange for my own rubbish collections. Everyone’s prospects would improve if we could ignore all the irritating rules and regulations either generated here or rubber-stamped from Brussels.
But that way lies anarchy. For all the annoying nonsense, nannying and interference we have to put up with, there is a consensus that we are, to borrow an expression, better together.
I repeat: The majority of those who favour independence are decent people who do so out of principle and conviction. It just so happens that I think they’re wrong — and so do most of my Scottish friends.
I visit Scotland regularly and always feel as comfortable as I do in London. It has never struck me as a nation with an identity crisis.
The upsurge in xenophobia encouraged by the Yes campaign is not worthy of such a great country and I’m sure most people are ashamed of the vile Cybernats and anti-English bigots.
As I said, I don’t get a vote but I hope those who do will use it wisely. I understand the seductive appeal of Salmond’s pitch. But while I can see what’s in it for Scottish politicians, I can’t see what’s in it for the Scottish people.
Somehow I hope and believe that despite the latest poll, the Scots will see sense and vote ‘No’.
Don’t panic.
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It is fun watching the royals and Brit politicians squirm and grovel before Scotland though. The Scots should do this every other year.
It'll be even funner seeing the reaction of the SNP and the racist, foul-mouthed YES mob when they lose the referendum. The looks on their faces will be a picture.
A vision of a better future for the people of Scotland with Yes
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Alex Salmond: A vision of a better future for the people of Scotland with Yes | Yes Scotland
Go back to your Queen and tell her that Scootlans sons and daughters are yours no more!
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Go back to your Queen and tell her that Scootlans sons and daughters are yours no more!
What a load of silly romantic cobblers.
By the way, Braveheart is a daft, nonsensical, racist, bigoted film which has less basis in reality than Doctor Who.
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