Ferguson riots: Clashes, looting in Missouri following vigil for teen shot dead by po
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Local talk radio has been buzzing like crazy over this incident and some folks here have posted pics in which they have assumed guilt on his part. But we''ll await the final decision in court should a trial ever come from this.
The only thing I've seen here is the posting of a video and people calling him a young thug bot of which are true, and there is no assumption that he is guilty of stealing when you watch the videoh.
I don't think Brown was innocent ....nor were the police. The man who shot Brown has been identified.
Why not wait for the courts to decide who is guilty.
I know you like to dance around an issue and deflect and move the goal posts around just to win something in an argument but I'll say this only once then you can argue with yourself.
That he is a young thug doesn't give the police the right to shoot him without a valid reason since the chief of police himself admitted that the robbery wasn't the motive for the officer to confront him
.On the other hand even if he is the victim of a wrongful shooting, it doesn't absolve him of being a thug!!
At present, there is a video and direct commentary from the shop owner/employee regarding Brown's actions in the store... This is obviously not a formal verdict by authorities, but does add some background details that the initial portrait of Brown being squeaky clean is going to be highly scrutinized.
As far as the comments re: stand your ground and the wilding example, anyone can come up with a myriad of examples that support a position.... That in no way justifies pre-judgement on any level be it against the cop or the victim.
My original comment regarding statistics stands and that comment is not limited to age, race, gender, etc but also extends directly to police as well.
In the big picture, the public at large in Ferguson have already made up their minds on this... I continually scratch my head over the last days whenever I hear about representations an interests for a 'peaceful demonstration' yet so many in the crowd bring along rocks, bottles and other misc projectiles.
It's no big surprise that the police are outfitted the way that they are
Wrong!
It was Judge Hathorne who started it:
Salem Witch trials
Nah... there was no militarization of Law Enforcement there. Just some crazy teens and a sheriff.
I think it's Photoshop Mask and Blend flag.
Ferguson protesters defy curfew
Conflicting reports suggest that the police are using either smoke bombs or tear gas. Gunshots are reportedly being heard in the area.
They are called the "Flag of Arab Revolt."
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Police Chief Jon Belmar: Require Ferguson and St. Louis County and City police officers to wear body cameras.
SIGN PETITION
"" I'm a native of the St. Louis area, and the killing of Michael Brown makes me beyond sick. Michael, only 18 years old, is around my age. He was unarmed when he was shot and killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. Many continue to speculate what happened, and we may never know the truth. But one thing we know for sure is that the officer who killed him did not have a car dash camera or a body cam to record the incident -- a camera that could have prevented the incident or given us clear information about what happened.
I've participated in the local demonstrations because I am so appalled by what has happened. These questionable police activities are unfortunately not new to many in this area. I've been illegally searched by the local police more times than I can count. Many of my friends can say the same. It's not right, and I won't stand for it.
And I won't accept Michael's death taken in vain. That's why I am asking for the St. Louis City Police Department, the St. Louis City Police Department and the Ferguson Police Department to require police officers to wear cameras and record any interaction with the public at all times.
Attaching cameras to the police officers' uniforms would come with many benefits. The cameras would cost a few hundreds dollars each and would:
-Provide greater transparency and a constant third party witness
-Enhance police and citizen motivation to act lawfully and truthfully
-Lessen the chance of deadly force being used by police
-Reduce the number of lawsuits and increase dismissed lawsuits with digital evidence
-Increase citizen's trust of his/her police force thanks to recorded actions
Police departments nationwide are using or testing on-body cameras and they're reportedly reducing police misconduct. When the Rialto Police Department in California adopted cameras, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent and the use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent. Other municipalities that have employed these cameras have seen a sharp drop in complaints and misconduct.
We must stop more preventable tragedies like the one that took place in Ferguson by taking this action. If something like this happens again, which I hope it never does, we will have a first-person view of any altercation with no grey area. Body cameras will protect both officers and civilians.
We need to be able to police the police. Please sign this petition to honor Mike's life with this change that will likely save many other lives in the future. ""
SIGN PETITION
Conflicting reports suggest that the police are using either smoke bombs or tear gas. Gunshots are reportedly being heard in the area.
They are called the "Flag of Arab Revolt."
...................
Police Chief Jon Belmar: Require Ferguson and St. Louis County and City police officers to wear body cameras.
SIGN PETITION
"" I'm a native of the St. Louis area, and the killing of Michael Brown makes me beyond sick. Michael, only 18 years old, is around my age. He was unarmed when he was shot and killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. Many continue to speculate what happened, and we may never know the truth. But one thing we know for sure is that the officer who killed him did not have a car dash camera or a body cam to record the incident -- a camera that could have prevented the incident or given us clear information about what happened.
I've participated in the local demonstrations because I am so appalled by what has happened. These questionable police activities are unfortunately not new to many in this area. I've been illegally searched by the local police more times than I can count. Many of my friends can say the same. It's not right, and I won't stand for it.
And I won't accept Michael's death taken in vain. That's why I am asking for the St. Louis City Police Department, the St. Louis City Police Department and the Ferguson Police Department to require police officers to wear cameras and record any interaction with the public at all times.
Attaching cameras to the police officers' uniforms would come with many benefits. The cameras would cost a few hundreds dollars each and would:
-Provide greater transparency and a constant third party witness
-Enhance police and citizen motivation to act lawfully and truthfully
-Lessen the chance of deadly force being used by police
-Reduce the number of lawsuits and increase dismissed lawsuits with digital evidence
-Increase citizen's trust of his/her police force thanks to recorded actions
Police departments nationwide are using or testing on-body cameras and they're reportedly reducing police misconduct. When the Rialto Police Department in California adopted cameras, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent and the use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent. Other municipalities that have employed these cameras have seen a sharp drop in complaints and misconduct.
We must stop more preventable tragedies like the one that took place in Ferguson by taking this action. If something like this happens again, which I hope it never does, we will have a first-person view of any altercation with no grey area. Body cameras will protect both officers and civilians.
We need to be able to police the police. Please sign this petition to honor Mike's life with this change that will likely save many other lives in the future. ""
SIGN PETITION
I don't think "innocent" or "not innocent" has anything to do with being gunned down by the cops. But there will always be those who disagree.
Let me rephrase that. I don't think "innocent" or "not innocent" SHOULD have anything to do with being gunned down in the street. History teaches that idea is a trifle naive, alas.
I also don't think black or white SHOULD have anything to do with being gunned down by the cops. But history teaches. . .
We are a reactionary lot to a great degree. We act before we think. Usually our primary response is to go off half cocked and raise hell. Seems like it is always our secondary consideration about things that is more appropriate. Speaking about the majority of course not everyone. That's from the outside looking in.
I'm guilty of generalization. The point, if I had one, is that Brown isn't the innocent prince that he was earlier made out to be. In later camera shots Brown was shown to be a bully and a thief.
Oh, well, in that case, he deserved to be shot down. Go home, folks. Nothing to see here.
For Christ's sake nobody said he deserved to get shot. Do you make up your arguments as you go along?
I can read between the lines, juan. If you're not supporting Michael Brown being gunned down, then why are you bringing up his unrelated, possible bad conduct? What purpose could it have in this discussion other than to justify the shooting?