Belgian Cafe Posts 'No Jews Allowed' Sign

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Blackie,

What the f*ck have Jews in Belgium got to do with the foreign policy of a foreign country 4,500 miles away?


Same thing with Alabama openly posting a sign that says for all Muslims to keep out because of Al Qaeda's actions overseas. Once the floodgates of prejudice are opened in the manner done in Belgium and Alabama, a torrent of more hate infects the entire environs. Best to keep the hate in check and for people to reconcile.

It's the Left who love Mein Kampf, cos it's mainly the Left, not the Right, who are anti-Semitic.


Correction: Storm Front and the John Birch Society are right wing.
 

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Same thing with Alabama openly posting a sign that says for all Muslims to keep out because of Al Qaeda's actions overseas.


And that gets condemned because "it's racist" (even though Muslims aren't a race) yet somehow it isn't racist to ban Jews from a cafe in Belgium (even though Judaism is a race) even though those innocent Jewish people have sod all to do with a conflict 4,500 miles away in a foreign country which they've likely never been to.

Correction: Storm Front and the John Birch Society are right wing.

It's mainly the Left and their favourite media - most notable the Beeb, the Grauniad and The Staggers - who are anti-Semitic. It's the Left, not the Right.

As Mr Littlejohn says above:

My thesis was that while the Far Right hasn't gone away, the motive force behind the recent increase in anti-Jewish activity comes from the Fascist Left and the Islamonazis.
 
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And that gets condemned because "it's racist" (even though Muslims aren't a race) yet somehow it isn't racist to ban Jews from a cafe in Belgium (even though Judaism is a race) even though those innocent Jewish people have sod all to do with a conflict 4,500 miles away.


My point is that prejudice of this kind whether against Muslims, Jews, or whatever is wrong. Dead wrong. Reconciliation of diverse peoples is what makes this a better and more peaceful world.
 

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My point is that prejudice of this kind whether against Muslims, Jews, or whatever is wrong. Dead wrong. Reconciliation of diverse peoples is what makes this a better and more peaceful world.


It's wrong if you do it to Muslims, gays, women or blacks, but not if you do it to the big-nosed Jew.
 

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And that gets condemned because "it's racist" (even though Muslims aren't a race) yet somehow it isn't racist to ban Jews from a cafe in Belgium (even though Judaism is a race) even though those innocent Jewish people have sod all to do with a conflict 4,500 miles away in a foreign country which they've likely never been to.



It's mainly the Left and their favourite media - most notable the Beeb, the Grauniad and The Staggers - who are anti-Semitic. It's the Left, not the Right.

Hey sh it head the score in this weeks war between the Semites is 1000 to one for the zionist anti Semite machine
 

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To be honest, that statement is, frankly, disgusting. It's also, sadly, the norm amongst many Continental Europeans who seem to have forgotten that, just 75 years ago, it was such anti-Jewish bigotry that caused a world war and the deaths of over 60 million people.
So you're saying a Jewish cause was responsible for WWII?
Anti-Semitism was the cause of widespread violence and upheaval and deaths in Europe throughout the 1930s (Kristallnacht; Cable Street, etc), and then even more violence, upheaval, deaths and destruction in the 1940s.

And the Left-wing idiots on this forum and elsewhere who are promoting and excusing anti-Semitism are paving the way for the same fate to happen again. They just haven't learnt from the recent past.
 

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It's the Left who love Mein Kampf, cos it's mainly the Left, not the Right, who are anti-Semitic.

Is this you right now? Or is that one of your pals on here?






Nothing. Absolutely nothing tops Mein Kampf as Right wing guide book. If you read it you'd get a warm fuzzy feeling because it's right up your alley.
 

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Nothing. Absolutely nothing tops Mein Kampf as Right wing guide book. If you read it you'd get a warm fuzzy feeling because it's right up your alley.

It's the Left who promote and support anti-Semitism, not the Right, as Littlejohn's brilliant article above points out.

The Nazis were also Left-wingers too, of course.
 

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Have you read it?

Left wingers? The last thing you wanted be in Germany was a lefty. You sure have a f-cked up reality in your noggin.
 

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Blackie,


the Left-wing idiots on this forum and elsewhere who are promoting and excusing anti-Semitism are paving the way for the same fate to happen again. They just haven't learnt from the recent past.




65-70% of American Jews identify themselves as liberals.

12 Congressional senators are Jewish liberals

1 is independent but votes liberal


21 members of Congress are Jewish liberals Democrats


only 1 Jewish Congressman is Republican




Obviously, Blackie does not understand American politics. The challenge is for him to back up his claims with proof. This should be very interesting.
 

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65-70% of American Jews identify themselves as liberals.

12 Congressional senators are Jewish liberals

1 is independent but votes liberal


21 members of Congress are Jewish liberals Democrats


only 1 Jewish Congressman is Republican




Obviously, Blackie does not understand American politics. The challenge is for him to back up his claims with proof. This should be very interesting.


yeah, while that may be true, (and I could care less about jews here or anywhere, or the dems and rep crowds), if that crap was tried on this side of the tub folks would be up in arms, lib, dem or otherwise. Maybe jews are more tolerant (as long as it's overseas) towards 'signs' but I'm quite certain that they, or the gays or the blacks or the hispanics would have a fit, if anyone anywhere in the states posted a sign against their inclusivity today. I could be wrong but I doubt it. just sayin'.
 

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Most of those Jews are just as outraged over Islamophobic hate as they are over all forms of social intolerance. Having worked with many Jewish lefties in NYC (and a few here in Gopherland) over the years I know that for a fact.
 

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Most of those Jews are just as outraged over Islamophobic hate as they are over all forms of social intolerance. Having worked with many Jewish lefties in NYC (and a few here in Gopherland) over the years I know that for a fact.

yeah, that may be true too but I'm talkin' about 'no zionists', or if you like, 'no jews', 'no gays', 'no blacks' and like that...there'd be kinda an uproar dontcha think? oh well, maybe zionists are just an easy mark, pushovers and like that.
 

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65-70% of American Jews identify themselves as liberals.

12 Congressional senators are Jewish liberals

1 is independent but votes liberal


21 members of Congress are Jewish liberals Democrats


only 1 Jewish Congressman is Republican




Obviously, Blackie does not understand American politics. The challenge is for him to back up his claims with proof. This should be very interesting.


So what? It is the so-called "anti-racist" Liberal Left (the Liberal Left are more racist and bigoted than anybody) who are the main supporters and promoters of anti-Semitism. It is the so-called "anti-racist" Liberal Left and their Islamofascist buddies who are the anti-Semites, not the Right.

There have been plenty of Labour and Liberal Dumbocrats making anti-Semitic comments in recent years. The self-styled "anti-racist" Ken Livingstone is a fine example of this. When he was the Muslim-loving Labour Mayor of London a few years ago he, like many on the Left, was a self-styled defender of "rights for minority groups" in London. But that didn't include the Jews, apparently, because he ended up having to make a grovelling apology for comparing a Jewish journalist to - rather disgustingly and ignorantly - a "concentration camp guard". Red Ken, like many on the "tolerant" Left, would never say such remarks about Muslims or blacks or gays yet, like many on the "tolerant" Left, have no problem with saying it about Jewish people.

And then there have been the anti-Semitic comments made by Labour and Liberal Dumbocrat MPs on Twitter in recent weeks. Again all the comments came from supposedly "anti-racist" Lefties. As far I can tell there has not been one - not one - anti-Semitic comment from any Tory or UKIP MP.

It is the self-styled "anti-racist" Left who are the biggest anti-Semites, not the Right.

More about "tolerant, anti-racist" lefty Red Ken and what he really thinks about Jews:

Andrew Gilligan

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Ken Livingstone: what he really thinks about Jews


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The man on the right is Yusuf al-Qaradawi and he has called for Jews to be "killed, down to the very last one" and has been barred from entering the UK and France. The man on the left, the former Labour Mayor of London Ken Livingstone, is al-Qaradawi's pal

Labour-supporting Jews in London have written a devastating private letter to the party leader, Ed Miliband, after a group of them including Jewish Labour councillors, Labour members of the Board of Deputies and Labour Friends of Israel met Ken this month to try to build bridges. Previous discussions, they said, had been "acrimonious" and this one doesn't sound any better.

In the letter, obtained by the Jewish Chronicle, the Labour supporters write: “Many of us had just about managed to vote for [Ken] in 2008. Today, many of us who would otherwise normally vote Labour are finding it harder and harder to consider voting for Ken, despite agreeing with his policies for London.”

Part of their problem, they said, was that
Ken determines Jews as a religious group but does not accept Jews as an ethnicity and a people… [though] black, Irish, women and LGBT groups are afforded the right to determine their own identity, many of us feel that Ken doesn't afford Jews that right…

At various points in the discussion Ken used the words Zionist, Jewish and Israeli interchangeably as if they meant the same, and did so in a pejorative manner. These words are not interchangeable and to do so is highly offensive, particularly when repeated over and again as was done. For example, when discussing Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi's extreme views on homosexuality, Ken said "one would expect the same views on homosexuality from extreme Christians, Muslims and Israelis" and using the word "Zionist" as an adjectival negative to criticise much more widely than what can be attributed to the ideology of Zionism…

Ken toward the end of the meeting stated that he did not expect the Jewish community to vote Labour as votes for the left are inversely proportional to wealth levels, and suggested that as the Jewish community is rich, we simply wouldn't vote for him. When we pointed to research undertaken by the Institute of Jewish Policy Research that demonstrates the Jewish community in the UK has a propensity to vote much more radically than its wealth, and this is attributed to Jewish values and sociology and history and also alluded to Democrats in the USA, Ken begrudgingly accepted this.

The real and more pressing issue is that of the strong perception that Ken is seeking to align himself with the politics of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian regime, whilst at the same time turning a blind eye to Islamist antisemitism, misogynism and homophobia, even when overt and demonization of Zionism and the derogatory use of the word Zionist and use of antisemitic memes.

We are concerned that this is more about infantile far left politics, being seen to take a stance against whatever the anti-establishment or anti-imperialism cause of the moment is. Boiled down, it's hard to interpret this in any other way than Ken basically having no sympathy for those that he perceives as bourgeois , which is why he isn't really attempting to appeal to, and perhaps why he is losing progressive as well as Jewish votes.
Ken's continued defence of al-Qaradawi (pictured) has been condemned even by Val Shawcross, his own running-mate. It is chilling that Livingstone gave no ground even in a private meeting and instead invoked the stereotype of the fat, rich, selfish Jew – a favourite of anti-semites throughout history. This document is testimony to the fact that relations between Ken and one of London’s most important minorities have quite simply broken down.

Ken Livingstone: what he really thinks about Jews – Telegraph Blogs

65-70% of American Jews identify themselves as liberals.

12 Congressional senators are Jewish liberals

1 is independent but votes liberal


21 members of Congress are Jewish liberals Democrats


only 1 Jewish Congressman is Republican




Obviously, Blackie does not understand American politics. The challenge is for him to back up his claims with proof. This should be very interesting.


Here's more on the "tolerant", "anti-racist", sandal-wearing Left's problem with "the Jews":

What is the Lib Dems’ problem with ‘the Jews’?

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The Liberal Democrats have always been a party of contradictions. In the time I’ve been a member, as well as a journalist covering the party, few of its contradictions have baffled me more than the fact that it is called the Liberal Democrat party but it unequivocally fails to support the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

There has always been a strong link between British Jewry and Liberal (formerly the Whigs) parties, but the present day Liberal Democrats are broadly not trusted by the Jewish community. This is despite the best efforts of Nick Clegg and others to rebuild links.

This was brought home to me only a couple of months ago, when I was knocking on doors for the Lib Dems as a council candidate in the London Borough of Barnet. My ward took in part of the Jewish community in Golders Green. One evening a man answered the door, only to slam it very quickly when I told him which party I was from, shouting: ‘I won’t vote for you, you’re an anti-Semitic party.’ If only he had been a one off…

For a party that tries to be accessible and politically correct, the Lib Dems have a cultural blind spot over the Jewish community. A perfect example is that, come October, they will have held their autumn party conference over Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, four years in a row. Once happens, twice is a bad coincidence, four times and you’re telling a community that you don’t really pay them much attention.

You can’t help but ask: what is the Lib Dems’ problem with ‘the Jews’?

Many people joined due to a strong belief in human rights and a determination to stick up for the ‘little guy’. Honourable positions to hold, but easily warped when looking at the Middle East. Lib Dems, particularly at the grassroots level, see Israel with a thriving economy and a proper military, and assume that this makes it an evil Goliath, and the Palestinians therefore the noble David. It’s a binary view, not to mention a misinformed one.

They all too easily ignore that Israel is about the same size as Wales or the state of New Jersey and has been attacked ever since its formation. They don’t think about the human rights of Israeli citizens to live their daily lives without being bombarded by Hamas’s missiles.

With these foundations laid, the likes of David Ward and Jenny Tonge can share their vile views under some political cover. Indeed, there are plenty of Lib Dem members who publicly agreed with David Ward this week, and the same was true of Tonge before she was finally given her marching orders.

It demonstrates how easily anti-Israel and anti-Zionist sentiment can veer towards what could be regarded as anti-Semitism. It’s hard for the party leadership to take action against these outbursts. The perpetrators can legitimately say that party members are backing them. The leadership fears a backlash from activists. The Lib Dems remain a member and process driven party. Many times this works to the party’s advantage. Not so in matters of discipline. I have little doubt that Clegg and his whips would have liked to show David Ward the door this week, but the bureaucratic way the party is setup made that almost impossible. That said, it’s hard to imagine either of the other two major parties hiding behind ‘process’ when dealing with such comments from their benches.

David Ward’s despicable comments this week were just the latest in a series of incidents that have dogged the Liberal Democrats. With a bit of subtlety and nuance, it’s more than possible to make comments that are stridently critical of Israel without approaching the realms of anti-Semitism.

Subtlety and nuance were exactly what was missing from Ward this week, and his defender, former MEP Edward McMillan Scott. I have no idea how I’d now answer that man in Golders Green.

What is the Lib Dems' problem with 'the Jews'? » Spectator Blogs
 
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Israel is hardly the only one that belongs on the list. That is why it would so nice to see cpmplaints being reviewed by the ICC themselves rather than there being a process where the complaint can be halted before the Courts see it. It's not like they are overwhelmed but corruption should be suspected in that the case they are doing now should have been over several years ago but they at least have their rules set down in black and white. If/when Gaza gets paper and pen everyone should demand a University level education and everyone should graduate as a Lawyer of some sort that would be well known around the Hague. The current events would justify some cases and the complexity of those cases go back a number of decades so there are a lot of stones that would be turned over and intentional killing is a crime of murder so it has no limitations as to when a case can be opened. The case below is not specificity related to the Ukraine issue but it shows that a determination has been made and any appeal would list the issues, saving us a lot of reading. I am already thinking that it would be somewhat similar to the cases that were made against Venezuela when big oil was fired and the assets in the country were nationalized and the equipment seized and the purchase price was at 'fair-market-value'. An unintended consequence of the case and the $50B settlement is it was originally asking $100B for an investment that was 1/4 of that. That shows a company under Russian control grew at that rather astounding rate and it was the people of Russia who benefited from that growth. The beginning would show how the 'West' comes in and 'helps', the $5B invested covertly in the Ukraine starting about 1990 certainly didn't see anything grow in value at that rate or at any rate if they need a loan of about $35. Paid for by this one single ruling and $15B for the Lawyers involved.

Russia Ordered to Pay Yukos Shareholders $50 Billion — Naharnet

The arbitral tribunals unanimously held that the Russian Federation had effectively expropriated the claimants' assets, according to the ruling on the PCA website.
The claimants had wanted a total compensation package of $100 billion (74 billion euros), four times their total investments in the now-defunct firm, to take into account what it would be worth today, plus interest.
 

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So what? It is the so-called "anti-racist" Liberal Left (the Liberal Left are more racist and bigoted than anybody) who are the main supporters and promoters of anti-Semitism. It is the so-called "anti-racist" Liberal Left and their Islamofascist buddies who are the anti-Semites, not the Right
Fascists are Righties too. You have no clue which isn't surprising for a teenager.
 

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In the exploration of this aspect. Does the pursuit of pro-sports in North America help/hinder 'conflict'. One side will say the violent nature is removed by venting at sport events. The other side of the coin is that all sport events there is a winner and a loser and the difference is enough that great effort and expense is put into 'the industry'. At what point does the line between sport and life get blurred in that in any two groups that are different one has to be declared a winner and the other take the less desired role of loser.
 

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Fascists are Righties too. You have no clue which isn't surprising for a teenager.


The problem with Blackie is that he is convinced he knows American society and politics better than do Americans. By contrast, I sure as hell wouldn't tell him what the hell is going on behind closed doors in #10 Downing or in Westminster or in any local pub in London.

The fact remains that the vast majority of Jews here are liberal and would openly disagree with what he has to say. Let him post his delusional idea about liberals and hatred for Jews on Tikkun or Nation or even the NY Times and let's see what type of reply he would get.
 

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Fascists are Righties too. You have no clue which isn't surprising for a teenager.
By rights all teenagers should be classified as being children. They cannot be sent into harms way but they can vote if there is going to be a 'harms way' and it will be the 40-70 year olds that are sent to the meat grinders first. The protests against war would be much more vigorous. IMO

As a side-note how much US debt have they bought up in the last little while. Are the work-horses harnessed up and the wagons loaded or is it a digital spreadsheet and we are on one side of the jot and the winners are on the other-side.