US Supreme Court allows some employers to drop contraception coverage from healthcare

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Nope- Separation of Church and State.

Since when is the State considered any/all private business and individuals?

They wish to play in the FM, then follow the laws, using religious beliefs is crap.

The Free Market is exactly that, free... You are confusing that with the 'marketplace' in general... As long as these entities are playing within the bounds of the law, then how they choose to move forward is entirely their business.

Further, it is made up of all the players in that market. Take a look at the demographics in Canada/USA

"The majority of Canadians are Christians, with the Roman Catholic Church being the biggest denomination of Canadian Christians. Christians, representing 67% of the population, are followed by people with no religion with 24% of the population"
Religion in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The majority of Americans (73%) identify themselves as Christians and about 20% have no religious affiliation...
another 15% of the adult population claim no religious affiliation"
Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Horrible isn't it.

I'm wondering here if there is a clause in the US Constitution that guarantees a persons right to be entitled to everything?

Probably a clause in small print near the end


It's getting to be that way.


The Administration has been dicing up this law left and right. The SJC cuts out free birth control and you'd think they took away the right to vote.


Pay for it yourselves!
 

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It's getting to be that way.


The Administration has been dicing up this law left and right. The SJC cuts out free birth control and you'd think they took away the right to vote.


Pay for it yourselves!

The last 4 words of your post is what is really hilarious about this issue.

The tards are moaning that 'religion' is forbidding them from using contraceptives when this is only about who pays for them.

 

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Just some chum to throw in the water.

In Canada:

Sun Life Benefits Packages-fertility and contraceptives excluded from Basic and Standard plans.

Sun Life Financial - Plan details

Great West Life-covers oral contraceptives only

Great-West Life | Detailed Coverage Information



Don't really know what the others are like but it seem that I recalled, years ago, having to pay out of pocket for birth control pills.

Seems to me this whole thing is being blown up as a religion vs society issue when it's probably just a matter of money.
 
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The last 4 words of your post is what is really hilarious about this issue.

The tards are moaning that 'religion' is forbidding them from using contraceptives when this is only about who pays for them.


They can buy ALLLLLLL the birth control they want!


Every conceivable device and pill is there for them to purchase.


But they don't want to pay. Cheap mooching libs.
 

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They can buy ALLLLLLL the birth control they want!


Every conceivable device and pill is there for them to purchase.


But they don't want to pay. Cheap mooching libs.
When did we lose the difference between having a right and paying what it costs to exercise that right?

Does the right to a free press require the government or an employer to provide you with a printing press, paper, and ink?

I don't see no gun-rights advocates demanding that the government provide them with guns.
 

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Don't really know what the others are life but it seem that I recalled, years ago, having to pay out of pocket for birth control pills.

Seems to me this whole thing is being blown up as a religion vs society issue when it's probably just a matter of money.

I believe that if you drill-down on this, it is only about money, yet in reading some of the posts on this topic, you'd think that people were being denied insulin or heart surgeries and only because some faith-based minority are dictating their morals to the entire public.

You know, maybe I'm going about this all wrong... Over the years, I've spent a small fortune on contraceptives - I wonder if I can get reimbursed for this absolute necessary, healthcare component that I was denied all this time.

Dammit! Where's T-Bones on this... I need a lawyer ASAP to fight for my rights that I was heartlessly denied all thes years (read massive law suit with HUGE settlement)

They can buy ALLLLLLL the birth control they want!


Every conceivable device and pill is there for them to purchase.


But they don't want to pay. Cheap mooching libs.

... Don't forget their never-ending list of perpetually expanding 'rights'
 

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When did we lose the difference between having a right and paying what it costs to exercise that right?

Does the right to a free press require the government or an employer to provide you with a printing press, paper, and ink?

I don't see no gun-rights advocates demanding that the government provide them with guns.


And Arts... when funding for arts is cut suddenly it is censorship and rights are being trampled.


People just feel entitled to everything they don't have. And if they don't have it they feel it should be provided for them because budgeting, saving, and doing without something to afford something else is so archaic.
 

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I believe that if you drill-down on this, it is only about money, yet in reading some of the posts on this topic, you'd think that people were being denied insulin or heart surgeries and only because some faith-based minority are dictating their morals to the entire public.

You know, maybe I'm going about this all wrong... Over the years, I've spent a small fortune on contraceptives - I wonder if I can get reimbursed for this absolute necessary, healthcare component that I was denied all this time.

Dammit! Where's T-Bones on this... I need a lawyer ASAP to fight for my rights that I was heartlessly denied all thes years (read massive law suit with HUGE settlement)



... Don't forget their never-ending list of perpetually expanding 'rights'
I'm HERE for you, bro! Not only will I secure your rights, I will represent the entire class of men who cannot get birth-control pills for free! All for the low, low price of 33% off the top.
 

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And Arts... when funding for arts is cut suddenly it is censorship and rights are being trampled.


People just feel entitled to everything they don't have. And if they don't have it they feel it should be provided for them because budgeting, saving, and doing without something to afford something else is so archaic.
As my people say. . .

Oy gevalt!
 

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I'm HERE for you, bro! Not only will I secure your rights, I will represent the entire class of men who cannot get birth-control pills for free! All for the low, low price of 33% off the top.


I'm good with that.

Now, let's set up the general participatory structure for the class action including 35% for yourself (I believe you are being short-changed) with an additional 15% from all other participants to cover-off the various admin fees, sundry expenses, travel, meals, consulting fees (all the aforementioned for myself) and we got a big ole winner here.

Oh... Almost forgot, we'll have to carve-off another 10% in order to set up the Blue Ribbon Fact Finding Commission that will be studying this heinous situation in depth.

It's all about the children you understand... I wish that more people would just think about the kids
 

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Just some chum to throw in the water.

In Canada:

Sun Life Benefits Packages-fertility and contraceptives excluded from Basic and Standard plans.

Sun Life Financial - Plan details

Great West Life-covers oral contraceptives only

Great-West Life | Detailed Coverage Information



Don't really know what the others are like but it seem that I recalled, years ago, having to pay out of pocket for birth control pills.

Seems to me this whole thing is being blown up as a religion vs society issue when it's probably just a matter of money.
Not a reasonable comparison
Plans are negotiated by the Company and at times with a unions input.
Many companies offer varying health plans.

This is regarding a law that was passed. So I do not see how they are linked?

No, I am not. What I see here is an imposition and a restriction on someone of Faith's rights. I support contraception/prevention 100%. What I don't support is the trampling of someones religious rights to appease others who are, at most, being inconvenienced. They have other options.

Then you support the commonly called morning after pill?
Plan B - Uses, Side Effects, Interactions - Drug Factsheets - C-Health
Levonorgestrel is a progestin-only emergency birth control pill intended for use within 72 hours of unprotected sexual intercourse. It is intended for use only by those women whose regular birth control methods have failed, who may have had intercourse without birth control , or who have been sexually assaulted. It is not a substitute for correct use of regular birth control.

This medication is believed to prevent pregnancy primarily by delaying ovulation or preventing fertilization of the egg. It may also prevent implantation of the egg by altering the endometrium (inner lining of the uterus). It is important to realize that once implantation has occurred and pregnancy is established, levonorgestrel cannot cause a miscarriage
 

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As was granted by Congress.



Not all... such as the employer mandate delay... back tracking on cancelled plans when it was found if you like your plan you can keep it was not true..


This is a better link.


41 Changes to ObamaCare…So Far | Galen Institute


Members of Congress may go to the courts to stop the Administration for consistently circumventing Congress. Just because the President wants his legislation passed and Congress isn't doing it does not mean he can just wave his pen and pick up the phone to get it done another way.
 

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Not a reasonable comparison
Plans are negotiated by the Company and at times with a unions input.
Many companies offer varying health plans.

This is regarding a law that was passed. So I do not see how they are linked?

From a government mandated health care law, right? Mandating what must be covered, is that not so? So then there really is no negotiating of plans, like we would have here in Canada.

My only (original) point being that having contraceptives not covered by employee health plans is something rather commonplace north of the border. Then again, our Universal Healthcare doesn't cover prescriptions of any kind either. So we're basically in the exact same boat, more or less, except that our government hasn't imposed what coverage is mandatory for private health care plans to provide. So where's the indignation here then? I'm sure there are a number of organizations and business endeavours in Canada that choose to offer a plan that doesn't include contraceptives for a variety of reasons, how come no one is screaming about that if it's such an imposition and an affront on individuals?
 

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From a government mandated health care law, right? Mandating what must be covered, is that not so? So then there really is no negotiating of plans, like we would have here in Canada.

My only (original) point being that having contraceptives not covered by employee health plans is something rather commonplace north of the border. Then again, our Universal Healthcare doesn't cover prescriptions of any kind either. So we're basically in the exact same boat, more or less, except that our government hasn't imposed what coverage is mandatory for private health care plans to provide. So where's the indignation here then? I'm sure there are a number of organizations and business endeavours in Canada that choose to offer a plan that doesn't include contraceptives for a variety of reasons, how come no one is screaming about that if it's such an imposition and an affront on individuals?

I am sure there are.
This is not about refusing birth control.
My point was a company in the market place using their religious beliefs, then becoming exempt from a law passed.
Whether people agree or not, no sweat.
Just as the Govt has no business in religion, Religious beliefs that run counter to laws and regulation, either live with it or stay out of the market.
And as we have seen, in their initial ruling the SC stated one thing, then did the opposite in a ruling passed the other day.
I already posted the link on that.

Here it is
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/u...n-rule-for-christian-college.html?ref=us&_r=0

WASHINGTON — In a decision that drew an unusually fierce dissent from the three female justices, the Supreme Court sided Thursday with religiously affiliated nonprofit groups in a clash between religious freedom and women’s rights.

The decision temporarily exempts a Christian college from part of the regulations that provide contraception coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

The court’s order was brief, provisional and unsigned, but it drew a furious reaction from the three female members, Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan. The order, Justice Sotomayor wrote, was at odds with the 5-to-4 decision on Monday in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores, which involved for-profit corporations.

“Those who are bound by our decisions usually believe they can take us at our word,” Justice Sotomayor wrote. “Not so today.”

The court’s action, she added, even “undermines confidence in this institution.”
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Monday’s decision and the order on Thursday were dual blows to the Obama administration’s efforts to provide contraception coverage, said Walter Dellinger, who was acting United States solicitor general in the Clinton administration.