US Supreme Court allows some employers to drop contraception coverage from healthcare

[Tecumsehsbones]

Right... in this case employers...my mistake.

As in this was a Pyrrhic victory? Is the government going to make a separate contraception health plan for employees whose plan doesn't cover it? The Gold Rubber Plan?

Ever heard the saying "Politics is the art of the possible?"

Seriously, Eagle, I'm no happier than you are about the idea of employer-provided or government-provided contraception. But you gotta know the way the wind blows.

This is really simple. Women will demand cost-free contraception. And it will be provided. And the Republicans won't stop it, because they want the women's vote too.

 

[Goober]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/01/o...imposing-religion-on-workers.html?ref=opinion

The Supreme Court’s deeply dismaying decision on Monday in the Hobby Lobby case swept aside accepted principles of corporate law and religious liberty to grant owners of closely held, for-profit companies an unprecedented right to impose their religious views on employees.

It was the first time the court has allowed commercial business owners to deny employees a federal benefit to which they are entitled by law based on the owners’ religious beliefs, and it was a radical departure from the court’s history of resisting claims for religious exemptions from neutral laws of general applicability when the exemptions would hurt other people.

As a threshold matter, Justice Samuel Alito Jr., read the act’s religious protections to apply to “the humans who own and control” closely held companies, an interpretation contradicted by the statute’s history, context, and wording. He then found that the contraceptive coverage rules put a “substantial burden” on the religious owners, who objected to some of the items on the F.D.A.’s list based on the incorrect claim they induce abortions.

It’s hard to see that burden. Nothing in the contraceptive coverage rule prevented the companies’ owners from worshiping as they choose or advocating against coverage and use of the contraceptives they don’t like.

 

[captain morgan]

They entered the free market and should abide by the laws, regulations that all others have to abide by.
Bringing their personal religious beliefs and telling their employees, due to this religious belief, I am exempt from this or that.
Your religious beliefs, stop at the entrance to the free marketplace for profit door. It is not a get out of rules free card.
Now religious orders, get that pass. Companies should not.

You need to get your head around this Goobs.

The employers are not telling their people what kind of contraception it is that they can use.. Use what ever the hell you want... This is all about assuming personal responsibility and not forcing the will of some leftards onto the consciousness of everyone by virtue of legislating that they pay out of pocket for this.

PS - The 'healthcare' angle is a huge crock of sh*t

I am floored that you can not see this... Take a look at Bones' post above - it summarizes the reality of this situation perfectly

 

[Goober]

You need to get your head around this Goobs.

The employers are not telling their people what kind of contraception it is that they can use.. Use what ever the hell you want... This is all about assuming personal responsibility and not forcing the will of some leftards onto the consciousness of everyone by virtue of legislating that they pay out of pocket for this.

PS - The 'healthcare' angle is a huge crock of sh*t

I am floored that you can not see this... Take a look at Bones' post above - it summarizes the reality of this situation perfectly

It is the law. They received an exemption based upon their personal religious beliefs. There is no room in the marketplace for that. In some cases that would create an unequal playing field for their competitors.
The law is the law.
Religious orders, I can agree with, free market, no way.

 

[captain morgan]

It is the law. They received an exemption based upon their personal religious beliefs. There is no room in the marketplace for that. In some cases that would create an unequal playing field for their competitors.
The law is the law.
Religious orders, I can agree with, free market, no way.

It never should have been in the law to begin with... As far as the exemption is concerned, what makes the rights of the owners any less than the rights of their employees?

You go on about how someone's 'rights' are being trampled on, by virtue of them not being subsidized by the employer.

It's horse sh*t to state that they are being denied anything

 

[EagleSmack]

Ever heard the saying "Politics is the art of the possible?"

Seriously, Eagle, I'm no happier than you are about the idea of employer-provided or government-provided contraception. But you gotta know the way the wind blows.

This is really simple. Women will demand cost-free contraception. And it will be provided. And the Republicans won't stop it, because they want the women's vote too.

Yup... we're now a gimmee-gimmee nation.


Secretary of Free Contraception

 

[Goober]

It never should have been in the law to begin with... As far as the exemption is concerned, what makes the rights of the owners any less than the rights of their employees?

You go on about how someone's 'rights' are being trampled on, by virtue of them not being subsidized by the employer.

It's horse sh*t to state that they are being denied anything

Does not matter if it should have been law, it is the law.
And the swing vote on the SC ruled it fell under commerce.

 

[EagleSmack]

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[Tecumsehsbones]

Yup... we're now a gimmee-gimmee nation.


Secretary of Free Contraception

OK, so now you got me supporting it! Secretary of Free Contraception sounds like a sweet gig.

 

[captain morgan]

Does not matter if it should have been law, it is the law.
And the swing vote on the SC ruled it fell under commerce.

I see that you keep dodging the base issue that this has to do with who is expected to pay s opposed to an infringement of actual rights.... Further, you speak long and loud about the employees rights, but conveniently ignore the rights of the owners.

Funny how your argument loses all it's steam when this wee issue is brought forth

 

[Goober]

I see that you keep dodging the base issue that this has to do with who is expected to pay s opposed to an infringement of actual rights.... Further, you speak long and loud about the employees rights, but conveniently ignore the rights of the owners.

Funny how your argument loses all it's steam when this wee issue is brought forth

No dodging here.
They recieved an exemption based upon Religious beliefs and this affects their employees. They have brought that into the free market. Other companaies are required to pay, they get a pass.
Long and loud, me, hhhmm, nope, nada, nema, not so.

I see you dropped the line about it should never have been the law. That was funny.
What else should they be able to do, under the guise of religion?
Thank God they did not believe in Faith Healers.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

What else should they be able to do, under the guise of religion?

Well, Gawd did intend for the races to be separate and for women to submit to men.

 

[EagleSmack]

OK, so now you got me supporting it! Secretary of Free Contraception sounds like a sweet gig.

Why not T-Bones. You'll have your own staff and everything.

 

[Corduroy]

Well, Gawd did intend for the races to be separate and for women to submit to men.

Race is the one thing missing in this case from the conservative perfect storm.

Hatred of women - check
Hatred of sex - check
Hatred of Obama - check
Hatred of workers - check
Imposing religion - check
Corporations are people - check

If only this applied to immigrants or something.

 

[EagleSmack]

^Completely Idiotic- Check

 

[Corduroy]

^Completely Idiotic- Check

 

[captain morgan]

They recieved an exemption based upon Religious beliefs and this affects their employees. They have brought that into the free market.

And here I thought, all this time that it was a person's right to practice their religion.... My bad I guess

Other companaies are required to pay, they get a pass.

Funny that.. Here is all this noise about employees being denied options related to contraception and all the while, it's only about who pays.

You'd almost think that these employees were being forbidden from using their preferred method of b-control

Long and loud, me, hhhmm, nope, nada, nema, not so.

'Fraid so.... Still in fact as we see that no is denied any of these things, this is only about who pays

I see you dropped the line about it should never have been the law. That was funny.

It shouldn't have been, unless you believe that the religious rights of some do not merit any protection

What else should they be able to do, under the guise of religion?

You tell me?... Apparently, any/all that hold a religious tenet are to be abused, denigrated and lose their rights

Thank God they did not believe in Faith Healers.

.. But Existentialists, Buddhists, Anarchists and Liberals are all A-OK, right?

 

[Goober]

And here I thought, all this time that it was a person's right to practice their religion.... My bad I guess

Where have they been denied this?

Funny that.. Here is all this noise about employees being denied options related to contraception and all the while, it's only about who pays.

Many are co pay are they not?

You'd almost think that these employees were being forbidden from using their preferred method of b-control

Not relevant now is it.

It shouldn't have been, unless you believe that the religious rights of some do not merit any protection

Nope- bout religion in the marketplace. Ya keep on avoiding that like a demon and holy water.

You tell me?... Apparently, any/all that hold a religious tenet are to be abused, denigrated and lose their rights

Nope agin- Bout their religious beliefs determining a health plan coverage, by a a law that many think should not have passed.

 

[EagleSmack]

 

[Tecumsehsbones]