‘This cross screams Christianity’: Atheists launch lawsuit over Ground Zero cross

bluebyrd35

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Personally, I class myself as a non-believer in some systems and partial or complete believer in portions of others. If we are products of a creative force, it is not as mean-spirited or destructive as what many major religions represent it as. That being so, perhaps it is time to find a symbol that refers to all beliefs, non or/partial and designate it as the ultimate representation of all. No one can deny the world and everything on it is evolving, why should our beliefs be any different? Oops forgot some are still denying evolution,,, oh well they could participate as well.


A world wide contest could be held to select the best symbol with a peace prize given as a reward. It is time to find uniting factors in beliefs rather than "MY belief is the one and only" attitude that abounds world-wide now.


Oh, also, it would be smart to institute a world-wide reading program, so all could research their own beliefs. I understand, that many believe as the local head of the belief system they are born into, simply because they are unable to verify the basic tenents on their own.
 

talloola

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When atheism invokes this much emotion in it's followers it's either a cult or a Religion.

the much emotion thing isn't in the atheists, it is in all of the 'other' believer types, atheism isn't
a belief in 'anything corporation', as are all of the religions'

i often hear others try to cram atheism into the same group as religions, can't do that, it doesn't fit,
it doesn't belong there, all of the religions do belong there, they can babble amongst themselves, just
which one of 'them' is the right one, atheists don't want to be part of any of them, so don't try to
pigeon hole an atheist into that group.

i am an atheist, i don't have an agenda at all in that world, i am different than all believers, i
can't argue which religion is the best, i don't know that, i don't believe any of them.

and of course in any situation, there are always the loud mouths, the outspoken types, and some
atheists do that, as do some believers, BUT it still doesn't change the fact that, 'they just don't
believe in what 'any' of the believers believe, simple.

so, no, not a cult or religion at all.
 

Spade

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Modern crosses (crucifixes, pendants, etc) in the Americas are designed to fit within a golden rectange. The vertical height, v, and the horizontal with, w, are related as follows:
(v+h)/v = v/h
This means v is approximately 1.618h.
So, before we all get hot and bothered, someone should take some measurements of those beams.

What I am saying is, the ruins may not be a Christian cross ar all, but simply an addition sign.
 

gerryh

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Sorry G. I forgot about all the wall hangings of the 10 commandments in the Shinto temples and mosques. :roll:


Not in Shintoism, but maybe you should educate yourself about the 10 Commandments and Islam. They are in the Quran and are considered along the same lines as they are in Judaism. I'm surprised I'm having to point this out to you. I guess I have been giving you more credit then you were due.
 

Twila

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Modern crosses (crucifixes, pendants, etc) in the Americas are designed to fit within a golden rectange. The vertical height, v, and the horizontal with, w, are related as follows:
(v+h)/v = v/h
This means v is approximately 1.618h.
So, before we all get hot and bothered, someone should take some measurements of those beams.

What I am saying is, the ruins may not be a Christian cross ar all, but simply an addition sign.

Too Funny! I can`t believe nobody has yelled Blasphemy at you yet.

Not in Shintoism, but maybe you should educate yourself about the 10 Commandments and Islam. They are in the Quran and are considered along the same lines as they are in Judaism. I'm surprised I'm having to point this out to you. I guess I have been giving you more credit then you were due.

What are your thoughts on the comparison of the 10 commandments and the egyptian book of the dead chapter 125?
 

gerryh

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What are your thoughts on the comparison of the 10 commandments and the egyptian book of the dead chapter 125?


I am of the opinion that "we" (as in mankind throughout the ages) "worship" the same God who has manifested himself to different cultures at different times in ways that that culture would best understand. Whether that be Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Buddhist, Mayan, North American Indian, or any and all other cultures throughout the ages. Different interpretations of the same thing.

IMO, we all may take a different path, but they will lead us to the same destination. This would be my major break with other "Christians", I don't believe that the majority of mankind is condemned to a "fiery hell". For that to happen, I would have to believe that God our Father is not all forgiving and is does not have unconditional love for his children. This is something I refuse to believe and it is something that I KNOW is untrue.
 

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I am of the opinion that "we" (as in mankind throughout the ages) "worship" the same God who has manifested himself to different cultures at different times in ways that that culture would best understand. Whether that be Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Buddhist, Mayan, North American Indian, or any and all other cultures throughout the ages. Different interpretations of the same thing.

IMO, we all may take a different path, but they will lead us to the same destination. This would be my major break with other "Christians", I don't believe that the majority of mankind is condemned to a "fiery hell". For that to happen, I would have to believe that God our Father is not all forgiving and is does not have unconditional love for his children. This is something I refuse to believe and it is something that I KNOW is untrue.

Thanks geryh.
 

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I am of the opinion that "we" (as in mankind throughout the ages) "worship" the same God who has manifested himself to different cultures at different times in ways that that culture would best understand. Whether that be Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Buddhist, Mayan, North American Indian, or any and all other cultures throughout the ages. Different interpretations of the same thing.

IMO, we all may take a different path, but they will lead us to the same destination. This would be my major break with other "Christians", I don't believe that the majority of mankind is condemned to a "fiery hell". For that to happen, I would have to believe that God our Father is not all forgiving and is does not have unconditional love for his children. This is something I refuse to believe and it is something that I KNOW is untrue.

I would agree with absolutely everything you said, if only you prefaced your statement with "If there were a Gawd."

Erratum
The relationship between vertical height, v,and width, w, should have read
(v+w)/v = v/w and v is about 1.618 w.

I was hasty and didn't proof my post.

Apology, please.
 

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I am of the opinion that "we" (as in mankind throughout the ages) "worship" the same God who has manifested himself to different cultures at different times in ways that that culture would best understand. Whether that be Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Buddhist, Mayan, North American Indian, or any and all other cultures throughout the ages. Different interpretations of the same thing.
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why would God do that and confuse the bejeevers out of everyone and cause all the religious wars as well.
If you believe in satan that sounds more his line of work.

total lame concept Gerryh. By the by ,Buddhists do not believe in any god creator Gerryh
this is what happens when idiots meddle with things they have no real idea about and try to make sense out of nonsense.

Watching gerryh's brain go blurb blurb is fun.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I am of the opinion that "we" (as in mankind throughout the ages) "worship" the same God who has manifested himself to different cultures at different times in ways that that culture would best understand.
Too many inconsistencies in those multiple manifestations for my taste. I am of the opinion that we made them all up.