Ontario short changed $1.2 Billion in federal transfers

[captain morgan]

If they want the Ontario vote, they need to be fair to the province.

We just had an election where a foolish agenda burned the right.

What you don't seem to understand is that Ontario is getting the sh*t-end of the stick here because the entire Equalization program is rife with abuse and those groups that are using the system in an untoward fashion are really the ones that are the cause of any unequal treatment.

Your unhealthy fascination in bending over backwards to assess blame exclusively on the Conservatives has prevented you from seeing the big picture and therefore eliminating any reasonable expectation that you can develop an understanding, let alone solution to the problem.

PS - It was the Fed parties that lead Ontario into the position in which you currently find yourself... Time to man-up and start forwarding answers instead of whining

 

[mentalfloss]

Provincial politics and Fed politics are night and day. Expecting sentiment from Provincial to reflect Federal or vice versa is far from the norm

Except that in this case, federal and provincial politics are intertwined.

The unfair change to equalization happened under Harper.

 

[petros]

Except that in this case, federal and provincial politics are intertwined.

The unfair change to equalization happened under Harper.

It doesn't change anything Fed and Provincial remain night and day.

What makes being punished for throwing away transferred funds a bad thing?

 

[mentalfloss]

It doesn't change anything Fed and Provincial remain night and day.

Of course it does.

It is one example where the politics are linked.


If it weren't, then Alberta should just give up their shake because they clearly don't want government interference in their free market.

What makes being punished for throwing away transferred funds a bad thing?

The equalization formula doesn't make that subjective assertion, and that's not the reason Ontario is getting short changed.

 

[JamesBondo]

Ontario screws with Alberta and we may take former Alberta Premier Ralph Klein advise.

“Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark.”

Firstly, it was premier loughheed that was in government when that expression was coined

Secondly, it wasn't peter loughheed that said it.

Lastly, I am not sure why ralph had his finger in the air, but it would not shock me if it was in response to a comment about his beer drinking.

 

[lone wolf]

Except that in this case, federal and provincial politics are intertwined.

The unfair change to equalization happened under Harper.

Don't be too fast on that one. Do you remember a lot of Rae promises that went by the wayside due to Martin downloads and transfer payment games? Politicians don't need parties to be scum - just something to hide behind and silly people to believe them

 

[petros]

Of course it does.

It is one example where the politics are linked.


If it weren't, then Alberta should just give up their shake because they clearly don't want government interference in their free market.



The equalization formula doesn't make that subjective assertion, and that's not the reason Ontario is getting short changed.

The only link is in your head. I'm paying your way as is witty bitty Newfoundland/Labradour. ON doesn't need money from the small Provinces does it?

Why should witty bitty Provinces pay for your Govts mistakes?

 

[mentalfloss]

The only link is in your head. I'm paying your way as is witty bitty Newfoundland/Labradour. ON doesn't need money from the small Provinces does it?

Why should witty bitty Provinces pay for your Govts mistakes?

Again, you are not understanding the problem with the change to the formula.

 

[petros]

Again, you are not understanding the problem with the change to the formula.

What's the problem it's only $1.2 Billion?

 

[mentalfloss]

What's the problem it's only $1.2 Billion?

Oh I'm not concerned.

But it does look like gouging on behalf of the feds.

 

[petros]

Oh I'm not concerned.

But it does look like gouging on behalf of the feds.

And squandering transfer funds by the ON govt doesn't sit well with the other 24 million people in Canada. Should the Feds ignore those 24 Million Canadians?

 

[mentalfloss]

And squandering transfer funds by the ON govt doesn't sit well with the other 24 million people in Canada. Should the Feds ignore those 24 Million Canadians?

What squandering?

Ontario has the leanest per capita spending in the country.

 

[petros]

What squandering? You are unaware of the powerplant scandal? Is that not squandering?

 

[mentalfloss]

What squandering? You are unaware of the powerplant scandal? Is that not squandering?

You have to look at where that money was lost.

It was lost on power distribution - and amounted to less than $4 per year.

The funds from equalization is for a different purpose and the calculation error has nothing to do with spending habits.


It's this elementary point I've been trying to communicate you at least 3 times now.


Ontario being short changed on equalization has nothing to do with the provincial spending.

 

[petros]

It's not just a $ Billion and change. Far far far from. It works out to be millions upon millions lost yearly because you also lost 1.75 gigawatts of dirt cheap energy that industry is crying for so they don't have to close up shop and move to where they can operate and turn a profit.

You said you have no issues with energy costs doubling in 5 years (part of which was to pay for the building the plants) but apparently industry doesn't, think it's no big deal do they?

Even if industry were to return to ON where would the needed energy come from? Space?

Your assumed $4 works out to be hundreds if not thousands per head when you add it all up.

 

[Locutus]

You have to look at where that money was lost.

you and your ilk continue with the addict's 'yabut' minimization and deflection of a problem...it's cute to a point but you're truly an idiot if you think 1,000 million dollars (paid by everyone now for the skullduggery of a few) ain't no thing son. think of all the craft beer, granola, free wifi lounges and needle injections sites could be put on your street with that kinda change.

the touques need to get out of the basement more. :lol:

 

[mentalfloss]

My mistake.

It's less than $2 a head.

Baloney Meter: Did the gas plant scandal really spike your hydro bill?


I'm sorry facts hurt.

Just accept them and it becomes less painful.

 

[Locutus]

like I said. :lol:

 

[petros]

My mistake.

It's less than $2 a head.

Baloney Meter: Did the gas plant scandal really spike your hydro bill?


I'm sorry facts hurt.

Just accept them and it becomes less painful.

Yeah yeah yeah $2 a year over 41.5 years not including interest, the powerplants needed to fill the market losses, industry and their job fleeing thanks to a doubled hydro bill over the past 5 years.

Cheap like borscht.

 

[mentalfloss]

Yeah yeah yeah $2 a year over 41.5 years not including interest, the powerplants needed to fill the market losses, industry and their job fleeing thanks to a doubled hydro bill over the past 5 years.

Cheap like borscht.

Less than one Timmy's breakfast per year.