Mother of 7 in jail because her kids skipped school dies in cell

Sal

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Well, she's dead, so I chalk this up as another victory for Western Civilisation.
but to be fair, depending upon cause of death, she might have been dead anyway...we will need autopsy results yet....I give the judge credit...he seems to be a tad more enlightened than many but as he said, she should not have been there to begin with
 

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but to be fair, depending upon cause of death, she might have been dead anyway...we will need autopsy results yet....I give the judge credit...he seems to be a tad more enlightened than many but as he said, she should not have been there to begin with
I'm not real sure of that. I don't know exactly how the statute is written, but the judge almost always has discretion to suspend a sentence. His regret sounds kinda post facto.
 

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The law has to apply equally true, but what happens when the law is wrong or just
ridiculous? America is full of these kinds of laws, and to be fair we have so many
it would be impossible to correct them all in Canada as well.
The problem is our society has outpaced the legal structure. Putting a person in
jail for something someone else is responsible for is nuts.
Get this on one hand we say children should not get special privilege they have to
be responsible in the same breath we sentence a parent to jail for the irresponsible
child we want to rehabilitate.
The mother is dead so I guess justice was done? Some short sighted fool put this
law on the books and society just shrugs its shoulders.
I wonder what it would cost to round up all the outdated laws and the laws that are
unjust and dissolve them I don't think we could even afford to do that there are too many
but its time we started the process for the ones that ruin peoples lives and provide little
benefit for society. Over crowded prisons everywhere and we put mothers in jail for
kids skipping school the judge needs his head examined.
 

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Justice is blind remember? Here's a question that needs asking. The woman must have been aware for some time that the truancy behaviour of her children was amassing her a debt and if my guess is correct as a single mother she should have been very blunt in passing that little tid-bit along to her progeny thusly: "do you want your mother to go to jail?" "do you want to end up split as a family with all of you living in different foster homes or state facilities?" "is your unwillingness to attend school that important that I as your mother should do time in jail for it?"


So how come these freak'n kids just kept piling up the debt against their mother in what looks like either mom didn't give a crap so never had those discussions with them OR if she did have that discussion on more than one occasion, and the kids didn't give a crap, it might serve some satisfaction to the rest of the family if she had sisters or brothers to sit these little brats down and ask them: "well now that you've played a major part in the death of your mother, what is it you think should be done on your behalf now?"


Actions have consequences and these did not suddenly materialize out of thin air. I believe she was well aware of the required punishment and performed some elective reasoning thus: "three hots and a cot for a couple of days away from them will wipe out this debt, give me a rest and show them what happens when they screw up. Bring it on judge."
 

Nuggler

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The judge killed her... The school system killed her.... Is there no justice in the world?

I'm not real sure of that. I don't know exactly how the statute is written, but the judge almost always has discretion to suspend a sentence. His regret sounds kinda post facto.

whut yo talkin bout post facto
posts ain't got **** all do wit it
get yo honkey *** ouda here motha fukka
get on de de facto
dose de facto pizzas de bess
big looooy pizza good too
pos facto
haw haw
u dummy
haw haw:roll:
 

gerryh

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Gerry's "reader" had to go out to the store. He's watchin TV till she gets back. She'll read it to him again maybe.

as we can see, nuggler is dumber than a sack of nails.....and........

:lol:



whut yo talkin bout post facto
posts ain't got **** all do wit it
get yo honkey *** ouda here motha fukka
get on de de facto
dose de facto pizzas de bess
big looooy pizza good too
pos facto
haw haw
u dummy
haw haw:roll:


one hell of a bigot.
 

gerryh

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I have one question. "where was the dad."

dead and buried? what does it matter?


I suspect the correct question is: "where were the dads?"


really, and why would that be a more "correct" question?

Nails are sharp; hammers are dull.

Spade, protecting the language one idiom at a time.


they may be "pointy", but they still aren't all that intelligent, or do you feel a sack of nails would be quite "intelligent"?
 

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I wonder what she died of.

It may not in fact have anything to do with being jailed at the time.

The reasoning behind jailing her however is archaic.


The poor woman probably just gave up on life. You can die of a broken heart!

There's a difference? :p


The mentality now days has deteriorated to the point where some people think everything that happens has political connotations. Ignorance is split pretty well equally among all political stripes.
 

tay

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The mentality now days has deteriorated to the point where some people think everything that happens has political connotations. Ignorance is split pretty well equally among all political stripes.




Politicians create the laws.


If no one challenges those laws, they remain in effect.......




Under state law, you can be sentenced to five days in jail for every violation.

"That unfortunately is part of the law in Pennsylvania and I think it is insanity. There has got to be a better way to deal with truancy than putting somebody in prison," said Christian Leinbach, (R) Berks County commissioner.

Schwank suggested maybe community service or a payment plan for the fines would have been more beneficial.

But Leinbach is calling for an outright change to the existing law.

"I think there are better ways to deal with nonviolent crimes. I am not even sure quite frankly that things like truancy and parking should be criminal offenses and frankly support legislation that would decriminalize those offenses," said Leinbach.






Woman Dies After Being Sent to Pennsylvania Jail Over Unpaid Children's Truancy Fines
 

Sal

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I'm not real sure of that. I don't know exactly how the statute is written, but the judge almost always has discretion to suspend a sentence. His regret sounds kinda post facto.
quite right... I no nothing about the law, I'm saving that for retirement and then I shall take some courses and increase my understanding, having said that, I thought there was supposed to be the law and the spirit of the law. I thought judges were allowed discretion meaning they could weigh the case in front of them and allow for mitigating circumstances. It is disappointing that it was not done here. Although maybe it was...two days isn't much it would seem. However the details are so scant it's hard for us to judge.

So how come these freak'n kids just kept piling up the debt against their mother in what looks like either mom didn't give a crap so never had those discussions with them OR if she did have that discussion on more than one occasion, and the kids didn't give a crap, it might serve some satisfaction to the rest of the family if she had sisters or brothers to sit these little brats down and ask them: "well now that you've played a major part in the death of your mother, what is it you think should be done on your behalf now?"
we do not have enough details to "blame" the children. We do not have enough details to blame anyone for anything.

Kids miss school for a variety of reasons. Many times the situation is circumstantial. Seven kids; was she working, part time, full time? Are there other adults in the household to assist? Are there health issues which could force kids to miss out on school to help take care of others in the family?

There are so many variable and combos of variables...nothing can be concluded except that she died and it is highly unfortunate.

The poor woman probably just gave up on life. You can die of a broken heart!
Yes apparently you can die of despair and and a broken heart.