Politicians and the church: The NDP's Charlie Angus knows how Justin Trudeau feels

[Sparrow]

So, no blackmail. Just because your Mother was weak enough to ALLOW the Priest to make her feel guilty does not make what he did blackmail.




You don't like the RCC or what they do, then don't be a member. Simple really.




Yup, your point?






Nope, in my opinion, anyone that get's an abortion, or supports abortion is murdering an unborn child. Therefore, in my opinion, they are murderers.

I do have the right to voice my opinion, do I not?

My Mother was not weak in any way but the church, especially here had a firm grip on the population. That is why we fought like the devil to get the church out of gouvernment because the cardinal gave his orders to the government. You have no idea how far they went.

What do you think they are trying to do? They are trying to tell a member of OUR government how to vote under a threat of excommunication. That is blackmail to me!

 

[gerryh]

So do you think your old pal, Pierre, would back you up on that opinion?

I don't care. It is MY opinion. Not anyone elses. If there are others that share that opinion, fine. If not, no skin off my a$$.

My Mother was not weak in any way but the church, especially here had a firm grip on the population. That is why we fought like the devil to get the church out of gouvernment because the cardinal gave his orders to the government. You have no idea how far they went.

Yes I do, but for me, I don't care. The Church does not tell me what to do, nor does it tell me what to think. I do that all on my own. It was the same with my Mother and Father and with their parents.

What do you think they are trying to do? They are trying to tell a member of OUR government how to vote under a threat of excommunication. That is blackmail to me!

That is the Church's rules. Like any other organization, they have rules, and like any other organization, if you break those rules you may be turfed.

 

[JLM]

I don't care. It is MY opinion. Not anyone elses. If there are others that share that opinion, fine. If not, no skin off my a$$.

I totally agree but what I'm wondering is since you said Trudeau was one of our best Prime Ministers who also paved the way for ease at having an abortion and you also said that anyone who facilitated abortions in any way is a murderer, hence can only draw the conclusion that you think murderers make good Prime Ministers! Just wondering.

 

[gerryh]

I totally agree but what I'm wondering is since you said Trudeau was one of our best Prime Ministers who also paved the way for ease at having an abortion and you also said that anyone who facilitated abortions in any way is a murderer, hence can only draw the conclusion that you think murderers make good Prime Ministers! Just wondering.

Right....cause the abortion laws that his government brought in is the only thing he did in his 15 and a half years as Prime Minister. :roll:

 

[Spade]

Perhaps some of us would have greater sympathy for the Church's position on the right to life, if they consistently applied it to politicians who advocate military action as foreign policy or those who trumpet the death penalty?

Where were the bishops prior to the Gulf War?

Where are the bishops on personal privacy?

Where are the bishops on women's equality?

 

[BornRuff]

Nope, in my opinion, anyone that get's an abortion, or supports abortion is murdering an unborn child. Therefore, in my opinion, they are murderers.

I do have the right to voice my opinion, do I not?

Calling someone a murderer isn't an opinion. You are accusing them of a crime.

If you accuse someone of being a murderer with nothing to back it up, you can be sued for libel.

This is just like Rob Ford calling Daniel Dale a pedophile. He can't just say it is a matter of opinion.

I don't care. It is MY opinion. Not anyone elses. If there are others that share that opinion, fine. If not, no skin off my a$$.

But you spoke very highly of PET in other threads.

What changed?

 

[Dixie Cup]

I left for reasons of I can't believe these people believe what they believe.
The church says they are firm in their teachings yet they went to other
parts of the world and adopted the customs and celebrations of others.
Christmas in December to combat the Druids they took the Easter
festivals of Spring and turned into a Christian Celebration. In fact most
of the Pagan festivals were refits for Christian celebrations.
Oh and if you didn't believe their version of life you were condemned in many
cases to death. It is the prime reason society put an end to divine power.
I do believe some of what they say is true but I don't follow a single drum beat.
I am not into angels and devils and spirits and witches and ghosts and all
that stuff it is using unknown spiritual super power to control the mind.
I believe in the human spirit as a force for good but I do not believe God is going
to get you if you don't believe in the whole package.

When my dad left our family for another family down the street, he didn't provide ($$) for us. Mom was a stay at home mom so had no work skills. Besides we lived in an extremely small town. One day, my mom went to the local parish priest to see if the Church would help her out until she could figure out what to do. He suggested that mom reconcile (and forgive) dad.


She was so pissed - he left us - he obviously didn't want anything to do with us. How was she supposed to change his mind? Unbelievable.


Since then, I have not had much to do with the Church - I don't believe its necessary to belong to one and not lead a good life. I still pray, ask for forgiveness, etc. Don't need to go to church for that!


JMO

 

[gerryh]

Calling someone a murderer isn't an opinion. You are accusing them of a crime.

Then sue me. You support abortion, then you support murder and are no better than clifford olson.

But you spoke very highly of PET in other threads.

What changed?

Nothing has changed, or for you to like someone they need to be perfect in every way and agree with you 100% of the time?

Since then, I have not had much to do with the Church - I don't believe its necessary to belong to one and not lead a good life. I still pray, ask for forgiveness, etc. Don't need to go to church for that!


JMO

Good for you, and 100% correct.

 

[smallandmighty]

Obviously, the "Church" doesn't "force" anyone to do anything. You are a prime example. You didn't like what they said and did so you left. That's the thing about a "free society" like Canada. You have that choice and option.

We have free choice and options in Canada??? Sorry I must have missed that memo..LOL! We have limited free choice and options is the way I see it, we also have to conform to the beliefs of the majority, if we don't then we are called all kinds of names, which in itself is finger pointing. If we have free choice and options, then so does church, and religion. They should be able to refuse same sex unions, and run the church according to belief and morals etc. They also should be paying taxes.
I know this is off topic a bit. But I often wonder why politicians when campaigning, do they have to attack others politicians. I, myself would be more inclined to have respect and vote for a politician to stuck to an itinerary of what they intend to do towards what they beleive in not what will get them voted in by popular beliefs.