I think you might have literally blown Boomer and BL's minds. A Christian who isn't homophobic must be a new concept for him.
Do you think he also believes in all the slavery and racism stuff in the bible?
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I think you might have literally blown Boomer and BL's minds. A Christian who isn't homophobic must be a new concept for him.
Do you think he also believes in all the slavery and racism stuff in the bible?
so has adultery, prostitution, promiscuity, masturbation, rape, sexual predation and violence. The fact that its 'there' doesn't make it right.
Homosexuals.. or more exactly people who practice homosexuality (essentially sodomy).. have equal rights. Rights apply to things that your 'are'.. not things that you 'do'. You might just as well demand equal rights.. and affirmation, legitimization, in fact, celebration for alcoholics.. or drug addicts.. or heterosexual sado-masochists.
The problem is they (the homosexual lobby) want to impose an agenda on everyone else that will dismantle foundational structural elements of our nation and civilization.. specifically in the institution of marriage. One which turns it into a absurdity.. whose primary purpose is to legitimize gratification of aberrant sexual behaviour instead of the conception, protection and nurturing of children. Marriage is NOT a right.. it is an institution freely and electively engaged in corresponding to ancient religious and social conventions. It's nonsense to call it a 'right'.
You'll have to show me where i have ever called for persecution of homosexuals. In fact i've never supported re-criminalizing it which i view as futile. Like wise i don't call from criminal penalties for adultery, or masturbation or any acts between consenting and rational adults. I think the Catholic Church has developed the best articulation of how homosexuality should be treated.. which condemns violence, slander, criminalization, isolation.. but makes no bones about its deviant and self destructive character. It is an intrinsic evil that removes the practitioner from the grace of God. It is also a psychological and moral pathology, deeply opposed to fundamental nature AND to a the dictates imprinted on our moral conscience.. by God.
It will therefor NEVER produce happiness. We see it now, where homosexuals have been given the highest status of post structural society.. that of 'victim'. They are fetted in parades and politics.. and yet they are still MISERABLE.. and lash out at those who provide the only prospect of their real happiness.
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And...... just because you can list a bunch of bad things(and some harmless things like masturbation), doesn't mean that homosexuality is in any way analogous to those things.
You can clearly document harms caused be things like violence, rape, etc.
Exactly what harm can be shown from the simple fact of being gay?
The United States Supreme Court has called it a right. That, nonsense or not, makes it the law in the U.S. A law with many, many implications.
I find your view rather narrow. In addition to what the Supreme Court has said, U.S. states and various other governments have made laws about marriage, limiting it, giving it privileges, and generally incorporating it into the body of law. I presume Canada and its provinces are among those governments. It is therefore a legal matter as well as a religious and social matter.
"Nonsense" is ignoring these obvious facts.
We all know fools, especially in societies racked with confusion and pessimism, as the West has become...often rise to high office.
If marriage is a 'right' whose only universal characteristic is that of gratification .. or even companionship.... then there is no reason that polygamy should not be sanctioned. And yet we all should know polygomous societies are inherently violent and oppressive to women.. and insidiously damaging to children.
Nonsense is denying that 'law'.. has any correspondence to the moral structure on which that society is founded.. or to the ultimate outcomes that it will produce.
Why don't you guys just get rid of the Old Testament then. It makes it confusing for the rest of us. :lol:
How did masturbation get into that mix?
Let me explain.
There was this neighbor of mine once who was so beautiful and married.
I realized the complications that would come of me succumbing to her flirts.
So when ever I would get really close to falling for her, I would wank it off.
How is that an evil?
Prostitution?
There is this girl i mentioned . I met her a little over a year ago ,she lives in my neighborhood.
Rents the basement and was working crap jobs due to her education.
She out right asked me for money and told me she was so desperate she would have sex for it.
I asked her if she ever did this before , she broke down and cried. She never answered me,I did not pry.
I gave her a thousand dollars and told her to think about finishing school and maybe going to collage or university.
I did not have sex with her, even though , well. It was the right thing to do, not have sex with her.
I took her on as a project, and she is now finishing high school. There was a long time of little coffee chats with her and the occasional gift for nothing in return ,of money to help her out. She is a great kid.
She was quite frank with me though. She initiated this .
Financially it is really expensive to become the doctor she has now decided on with some prodding from "us".
Going back to school and working ,even with my odd gift is hard.
Personally I see kids working till 11:30 at night at the superstores and such and going to school. They admit they are dead tired and none of them really produces really great marks. They just get by. All for some trade or skill that doesn't promise a job.
So this was the deal. She knows I'm wealthy and have wealthy old guy friends.
We give her a thousand dollars a month each, there are four of us all together , and she produces a grade of B+ . If she slips , we offer tutors to help. If she slips with their help the deal is off.
We each get to have her one Saturday afternoon and evening if we want as a date, and we each also get one day or night of sex. so her saturdays are filled with us and four other nights , or daytime trysts.
We have her pay her taxes, we help her to invest the money and we lavish gifts on her like no tomorrow.
She has a safety deposit box where partial payment in gold is stored for her future.
She is excelling in High School, she doesn't use drugs and is happier than when I met fer begging for money.
We are extremely grateful for this young lass landing in our laps.
The other three guys are gentlemen. Two are retired doctors, and the other a semi retired investment banker, and a very successful one at that.
unto promiscuity .
Obviously it works for me and keeps me wanting to be fit and live long.
The only people I know against promiscuity are those that can't partake in it. lol.
As for rape, sexual predation and violence , I take it promiscuity and prostitution along with masturbation are not really your bag.
so the focus is on macabre end of sexuality.
Pity, for the Intelligent Design behind it all sure knew how to create an angle for making babies, for all species. HA!!!!!
You deny the maker his artfulness.
Remember long before these rules against masturbation and fukcing were invented, things went on quite nicely amongst us folk.
It wasn't all that MGM Sodom and Gomorrah stuff you know.
"The New Testament lies hidden in the Old Testament and Old Testament in revealed in the New" - St. Augustine..
no contradiction exists.. except those invented by those who wish to obscure the whole Bible's Truth.
so this Hollywood Homo Mafia is real!!!!
yikes!!!!!
Coldstream your one wacky poster.
you need to get out of this place
Perhaps pornography would be a better example. We control pornography and prostitution because we know it inevitably involves the exploitation of those most vulnerable in our society.. the poor, the young, the addicted.. people whose defenses have been eroded by circumstances.
Masturbation, though, at its worst pathological manifestation can be as destructive to human potential as drug addiction... drawing one ever further out of constructive engagement with society into morbid world of self indulgent fantasy.
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So masturbation is ok with you as long as you don't think about anything sexual or look at naked women while doing it.
I get you now.
They do have equal rights in many areas, but there are many people actively trying to limit those rights.
What is absurd about two consenting adults who love each other getting married?
Marriage is a right under the law. Marriage in the legal sense is not dependent on any religious doctrine. It is a legal relationship that comes with a great number of benefits and rights.
Denying those benefits and rights to consenting adults who want to get married based on some religious text is what would be absurd.
What your church wants to recognize as marriage is a completely separate issue from who the law recognizes as marriage.
You expressly say that you wish to limit their rights, like the right to get married that they currently enjoy in many places.
Again, pathology refers to disease, which is a scientific concept, not one based on your personal beliefs. There is no scientific basis to any claim that homosexuality is a disease.
Lol, if you don't want them to be victims, stop attacking them. Seems simple enough, no?
I know lots of people who are gay and they are no more miserable than anyone else. You in fact sound pretty miserable, holding all of this negativity and hate close to your heart.
The fact is that being gay has caused many people to be quite unhappy, but it is because of people like you who plant all of these ideas in their head like the ones you mention here. Obviously if you are young and impressionable and people you respect are talking like you are, that is going to cause you a lot of pain. Obviously if you have to hide who you are that is going to cause you pain.
The people I know who don't have negative influences in their life like you, or have learned to shut those people out, are quite happy.
For like 3 minutes. Then I'm ready to hit the town.
How much of your time do you spend in that morbid house of self indulgent fantasy known as a church?
Yeah but as we see with Benham Bros.. or Brendan Eich.. or Phil Robertson.. they can't live with 'shutting them out' can they.
With the full complicity of the media they are imposing a new McArthyism and witch hunts on us.. which will deny opportunities for employment or free expression of those who don't submit to homosexual affirmation, often out of religious conviction. Just WHO is being persecuted these days.
It seems to me those could only be the actions of a deeply unhappy and sociopathic psyches (and societies). Old Joe McArthy is still with, done up Rainbow Regalia.
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No private company is required to promote or associate themselves with your bigoted views.
Simply being gay and actively trying to limit the rights of people who are gay are not opposite ends of the same spectrum.
Nobody has threatened anyone's free expression in those cases. Other people simply also exercised their right to free expression.
If you actually pay attention to these incidents, the majority of the people reacting to these events are not in fact gay. Many of my gay friends didn't really make much of a big deal about it at all. I guess they are used to hearing stuff like that, and you can't live a happy life if you always worry about the stupidity of other people.
They are condemned by a large swath of society because those people simply don't accept this kind of bigotry anymore. People don't like seeing people attacked unfairly.
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We know no such thing. Some polygamous societies are, to be sure. But anyone who thinks that monogamous societies are not should briefly review the history of Europe in the fourteenth through twentieth centuries.
Again, nonsense. The law is closely, though I will freely admit not precisely, aligned with the moral structure of a society. Generally, the law sets a floor of moral behaviour beneath which one may not drop without drawing social and governmental sanction. It may or may not be unfortunate that the law mostly deals with the moral floor and nothing higher, but that's the way it is. Morality is not of a single piece. Even among, for example, Christians, there are those, like the Quakers, the Amish, and the Mennonites who find it morally wrong to engage in violence even in self defence. Most other denominations accept violence in a variety of contexts: criminal punishment, warfare, self defence, and so forth.
To bring this back to marriage, marriage is recognised in the law as being good for society in a variety of ways, including but not limited to the generation and rearing of children. It is also useful to have another adult who is capable of answering for one when one is not capable of answering for oneself, which is why there are legal and tax implications in marriage.
And over time, standards of what is acceptable in marriage changes. Polygamy was once accepted in many European societies. More recently, marriage at extremely young ages, marriage without the consent of the participants, excluding mixed-race couples from eligibility for marriage, and a whole junk-shop of various incest and age-of-consent laws have proliferated. To say nothing of divorce and its changing standards.
I have no particular problem with you objecting to granting the legal status of "marriage" to same-sex couples. I say "legal status" because I have no objection at all to whatever religious standards you care to impose, provided you don't try to impose them on people who are not members of your religion. But the great debate continues. Gay marriage, interracial marriage, degrees of consanguinity, age, polygamy (serial or simultaneous) are all in play, or recently have been.
The most nonsensical notion of all is that there is any such thing as a "way it has always been" in marriage.
In the Old Testament, God's instructions with respect to practicing male homosexuals are quite clear--they are to be put to death.
Adn here's the gay lobby being annoying again:
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"let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - Christ in the New Testament.
Polygamy has never been accepted in Western Christian civilization. We'll have to ditch all that to bring in polygamy.. OR.. homosexual marriage.
So as long as I don't masturbate I can kill people?
Sweet deal. Clearly we would be better off with less masturbation and more dead gays.