1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified

[Dexter Sinister]

Another word for faith is trust.

No it's not, not in this context, you're conflating different meanings of words as if they were the same.

Do you trust anyone, Dex?

Sure I do, and I have faith in some people too, but that's evidence-based, they've shown themselves to be reliable, honest, and trustworthy.

What do you think of Luther's thoughts on reason?

Mystic bull****.

 

[Motar]

No it's not, not in this context, you're conflating different meanings of words as if they were the same.Sure I do, and I have faith in some people too, but that's evidence-based, they've shown themselves to be reliable, honest, and trustworthy.

The persistent benevolence (reliability, honesty, trustworthiness) of the individual who introduced me to Christ is evident to me, Dex. Reason is not an impediment to faith.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
--Mark Twain

 

[Cliffy]

"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
--Mark Twain

He also said, "and Man created god in his own image" - Letters from Earth

Wise old fart he was.

 

[coldstream]

The interconnectedness and interdependence of everything, the Oneness of the Universe, do not require belief or faith. It just is. The word God is a symbol for the unknowable, the incomprehensible of eternity/infinity. Every human being regardless of faith, religion, creed of cultural background, is part of the whole. But some like to argue about semantics, about personal views and perspectives about the infinite unknowable, just like some try to imagine a personal relationship with this unknowable quality they call god/atman/christ/great spirit. It is all about the ego wanting to be more than some insignificant speck of dust in an infinite sea of specks of dust. Some people are content knowing that they are insignificant some are not. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if you believe or have faith in the infinite because we are all just part of the greater whole.

Take that to its logical conclusion and you have no need for morality.. no purpose or destiny to human existence.

This nothing knew, it was proclaimed by the Gnostics.. to some extent is present in Eastern spiritualism and Buddhism. Ultimately it falls into a philosphical stasis, inertia and entropy for cultures where it becomes the guiding credo.

It really comes down to a philosophy of 'bliss' (nirvana.. whatever).. that degrades the human gift of reason.. and sabotages the dynamic of human enterprise.

 

[Spade]

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions."
- Karl Marx

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

He also said, "and Man created god in his own image" - Letters from Earth

Well, that explains why Gawd is such a d*ck.

 

[Cliffy]

Take that to its logical conclusion and you have no need for morality.. no purpose or destiny to human existence.

This nothing knew, it was proclaimed by the Gnostics.. to some extent is present in Eastern spiritualism and Buddhism. Ultimately it falls into a philosphical stasis, inertia and entropy for cultures where it becomes the guiding credo.

It really comes down to a philosophy of 'bliss' (nirvana.. whatever).. that degrades the human gift of reason.. and sabotages the dynamic of human enterprise.

If one needs religion to be moral. then they are amoral to begin with.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Take that to its logical conclusion and you have no need for morality.. no purpose or destiny to human existence.

I'd like to see your logic on that. I don't see a necessary connection between religion and morality.

Nor, for that matter, between destiny and morality.

 

[Motar]

No it's not, not in this context, you're conflating different meanings of words as if they were the same.

"dexter" (latin) means "right"
"sinister" (latin) means "left"
In heraldry, right and left reference the two sides of a coat of arms, the pictorial representation of a family, community or (military) group. Individuals wear or carry items bearing a coat of arms in order to identify with a particular group and it's history. The right side of a coat of arms is considered the honorable one.

How's my context, Dex?

 

[Sal]

The interconnectedness and interdependence of everything, the Oneness of the Universe, do not require belief or faith. It just is. The word God is a symbol for the unknowable, the incomprehensible of eternity/infinity. Every human being regardless of faith, religion, creed of cultural background, is part of the whole. But some like to argue about semantics, about personal views and perspectives about the infinite unknowable, just like some try to imagine a personal relationship with this unknowable quality they call god/atman/christ/great spirit. It is all about the ego wanting to be more than some insignificant speck of dust in an infinite sea of specks of dust. Some people are content knowing that they are insignificant some are not. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if you believe or have faith in the infinite because we are all just part of the greater whole.

When I realized the above, my anxiety level dropped, my kindness increased, I stopped trying so hard and then things began to flow in a way I could recognize. Things have always flowed. I was just so tied up in trying to do the right thing, be the right thing, behave the right way...I couldn't see the flow it was blocked by fear.

Fear is a powerful motivator, it destroys everything in its path.

I fought against the angry Christian too many times until I was so confused I didn't know right from wrong. Then I just went to the knowledge and feeling of the love I had been raised with and all the anger and meaness fell away.

Things became right. I became right because I could see "right".

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

"dexter" (latin) means "right"
"sinister" (latin) means "left"
In heraldry, right and left reference the two sides of a coat of arms, the pictorial representation of a family, community or (military) group. Individuals wear or carry items bearing a coat of arms in order to identify with a particular group and it's history. The right side of a coat of arms is considered the honorable one.

How's my context, Dex?

Hence the "bend sinister," the sign of bastardy in European heraldry.

 

[Spade]

Jesus may not have been crucified but he's been toasted.
See Jesus in your toast? It's 'perfectly normal,' new study says - Technology & Science - CBC News

 

[coldstream]

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions."
- Karl Marx

Yep.. the Cult of Stalin certainly rid people of all need for 'illusion'... in a desperate struggle for the neccesities of life.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yep.. the Cult of Stalin certainly rid people of all need for 'illusion'... in a desperate struggle for the necessities of life.

I'm pretty sure Marx wasn't part of the Cult of Stalin, bein' all dead and such before Stalin was born.

 

[coldstream]

I'd like to see your logic on that. I don't see a necessary connection between religion and morality.

Nor, for that matter, between destiny and morality.

Ultimately Cliffy's world is one of radical individuality with solely internal and inchoate reference points. It is all Subject without Objective definition or restraint.. in God or society.

Without a need to co-exist there is no moral responsibility except to your own Nirvana. In fact without a need to exist at all.. which is the Buddhist apotheosis.. there is no destiny.. simply dissolution after an endless and futile cycle of 're-birth'.

How can you put a moral imperative or purpose in that.

 

[Cliffy]

I'm pretty sure Marx wasn't part of the Cult of Stalin, bein' all dead and such before Stalin was born.

Stalin certainly was not a Marxist either.

Ultimately Cliffy's world is one of radical individuality with solely internal reference points. It is all Subject without Objective definition or restraint.. in God or society. Without a need to co-exisist there is no moral responsibility except to your own Nirvana. In fact without a need to exist at all.. which is the Buddhist apotheosis.. there is no destiny.

Shows how little you understand anything outside your narrow view of Catholicism.

 

[Count_Lothian]

Ultimately Cliffy's world is one of radical individuality with solely internal reference points. It is all Subject without Objective definition or restraint.. in God or society. Without a need to co-exisist there is no moral responsibility except to your own Nirvana. In fact without a need to exist at all.. which is the Buddhist apotheosis.. there is no destiny.

I really wish people would not impose their ignorance on a subject.

this is a vile piece of writing.

Without a need to co-exisist there is no moral responsibility except to your own Nirvana.

Do you have any concept of coexistance or co arising ?
Your own Nirvana?
Do you even have a clue as to what this word implies.

In fact without a need to exist at all.. which is the Buddhist apotheosis

You are kidding right?
How can anything no longer exist?

You are clueless , so totally ignorant and you have the gaul to call what you think is correct view a Buddhist apotheosis.

Where do these people come from.
Please go back and slither under what rock you came from you ignorant piece of nothing.

Had a bit of bad dream last night and sort of woke up on the bad side of the bed, and then I read that!!!!!

 

[coldstream]

Had a bit of bad dream last night and sort of woke up on the bad side of the
bed, and then I read that!!!!!

I'm so sorry to disrupt your karmic bliss, Lothian.. maybe it wasn't genuine if so easily displaced.

 

[Twila]

so basically there are a multitude of scripts that have not been included in the current bible that negate portions that are there...

There are passages that negate other passages currently in the bible.


I guess God was too busy watching over the 30 billions plus light years of space to prevent his book from having these sorts of contradictions?

How are the contradictions and the outright wrongness in portions the bible addressed by Christians?

(by wrongness I mean slave ownership, wife beating/stoning, etc)