TWU law school snub

petros

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Find a descrimination case filed by a gay student if you can.

It doesn't change the definition by pointing out there are no complaints.
 

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Find a descrimination case filed by a gay student if you can.

It doesn't change the definition by pointing out there are no complaints.

Sure, nobody has taken them to the bc human rights tribunal, which they are exempt from.

That has no bearing on the fact that making rules against being homosexual is clearly discriminatory against homosexuals.
 

petros

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Sure, nobody has taken them to the bc human rights tribunal, which they are exempt from.

That has no bearing on the fact that making rules against being homosexual is clearly discriminatory against homosexuals.

They aren't exempt. Where did you come up with that crap?

There is nothing in their Covenant that mentions homosexuals is there?

So find a case of discrimination against TWU so you can prove discrimination.
 

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They aren't exempt. Where did you come up with that crap?

There is nothing in their Covenant that mentions homosexuals is there?

So find a case of discrimination against TWU so you can prove discrimination.

We have gone over all of these things numerous times. If you have anything new, let me know.
 

petros

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Whenever you're ready to prove someone has been discriminated post it. Until then you're working on pure assumptions.
 

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Because you have nothing to prove your claims. If nobody feels they are discriminated, there is no discrimination.
 

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Because you have nothing to prove your claims. If nobody feels they are discriminated, there is no discrimination.

"My" claim is that the rules are discriminatory. All you need to do is look at the rules to confirm that.

If I tell you that only white people are allowed in my store, can you seriously not determine that that is racist without someone filing a formal complaint with the human rights tribunal?
 

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It's how the rules are enforced not what they say. If being gay gets you prayed over at worst (because it's illegal to expelled them) there isn't any issue is there?

Is being the person that a prayer group prays for discrimination?

Yes or no?
 

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It's how the rules are enforced jot what they say. If being gay gets you prayed over at worst (because it's illegal to expelled them) there isn't any issue is there?

Is being the person that a prayer group prays for discrimination?

Yes or no?

That simply is not what the rules state. On exactly what grounds would it be illegal for them to expel someone because they are gay? Name the law you are talking about.

You have repeatedly refused to answer this simply question. If they don't intend or want to expel people for being gay, why don't they change the rules to reflect that?
 

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That simply is not what the rules state. On exactly what grounds would it be illegal for them to expel someone because they are gay? Name the law you are talking about.

You have repeatedly refused to answer this simply question. If they don't intend or want to expel people for being gay, why don't they change the rules to reflect that?

It's not what the rule states is it? Please explain in full which repercussion applies to which rule of their covenant. Can you? Yes or no?

Do you know the legal meaning of violation?

Is discrimination a violation of the legally binding Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

Would expelling a student simply because they are gay be a violation of the Charter? Yes or no?

Has anyone ever been expelled for being gay? Yes or no?
 

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That simply is not what the rules state. On exactly what grounds would it be illegal for them to expel someone because they are gay? Name the law you are talking about.

You have repeatedly refused to answer this simply question. If they don't intend or want to expel people for being gay, why don't they change the rules to reflect that?
Do you realize that TWU is a college in beautiful British Columbia . Their students are mostly from B.C. and they probably could care less about the law society of Ontario because no one in their right mind would want to leave B.C . to reside in the hell hole they call Toronto .
Yet you have spent 24 consecutive hours arguing about the potential for homo sexual discrimination .
Is this issue so important to you that you will forego sleep friends and family just to post the same thing over and over on an internet blog comments .
I think you should get a life and go out and smell the roses .
 

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Sure, nobody has taken them to the bc human rights tribunal, which they are exempt from.

That has no bearing on the fact that making rules against being homosexual is clearly discriminatory against homosexuals.

Maybe nobody has filed a challenge because all the people attending TWU agree with the biblical teaching.

You may want to reread the document. It does not preclude homosexuals from attending whuch would be discrimination. It asks for a voluntary commitment to not engage in sex of any kind before marriage. That is a significant difference. One you are obviously far from understanding while all lathered up over your incorrect legal assumptions.

Based upon BRs learned legal findings it has just become illegal for the HRCC to excommunicate homosexuals and they are legally obligated to allow female priests forthwith.
 

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It's not what the rule states is it? Please explain in full which repercussion applies to which rule of their covenant. Can you? Yes or no?

It is in black and white. The repercussions mentioned are written in a way in which they can be applied for any violations of the covenant.

Do you know the legal meaning of violation?

Is discrimination a violation of the legally binding Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

Would expelling a student simply because they are gay be a violation of the Charter? Yes or no?

Has anyone ever been expelled for being gay? Yes or no?

We went over this on the last page. The charter is not applicable. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is between the government and the people, not between people and companies or private institutions or whatever else.

The applicable law would be the BC human rights code, but the BC code provides exemptions for religious institutions and this school claims to be covered by that.

So no, it wouldn't violate the charter since the charter doesn't apply.

I don't know if anyone has been expelled in the past for being gay. The problem is that they have laws that allow them to do so, and the law society wants them changed if they are going to grant them accreditation.

You are still refusing to answer the most basic question though. If you think that this rule isn't enforceable and they would never try to enforce it, why not change the rule so that is perfectly clear?

Do you realize that TWU is a college in beautiful British Columbia . Their students are mostly from B.C. and they probably could care less about the law society of Ontario because no one in their right mind would want to leave B.C . to reside in the hell hole they call Toronto .
Yet you have spent 24 consecutive hours arguing about the potential for homo sexual discrimination .
Is this issue so important to you that you will forego sleep friends and family just to post the same thing over and over on an internet blog comments .
I think you should get a life and go out and smell the roses .

If you don't care, why are you posting?

Maybe nobody has filed a challenge because all the people attending TWU agree with the biblical teaching.

You may want to reread the document. It does not preclude homosexuals from attending whuch would be discrimination. It asks for a voluntary commitment to not engage in sex of any kind before marriage. That is a significant difference. One you are obviously far from understanding while all lathered up over your incorrect legal assumptions.

Based upon BRs learned legal findings it has just become illegal for the HRCC to excommunicate homosexuals and they are legally obligated to allow female priests forthwith.

The school has a lot of leeway if they just want to keep to themselves and grant their own degrees. They have less leeway when they want to grant degrees that are officially recognized by other organizations, because then they explicitly have to work with those other organizations.

The covenant isn't voluntary if you want to attend the school. You must sign it to attend, and you can be expelled if you do not follow it. What part of that sounds voluntary?
 
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petros

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It is in black and white. The repercussions mentioned are written in a way in which they can be applied for any violations of the covenant.



We went over this on the last page. The charter is not applicable. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is between the government and the people, not between people and companies or private institutions or whatever else.

The applicable law would be the BC human rights code, but the BC code provides exemptions for religious institutions and this school claims to be covered by that.

So no, it wouldn't violate the charter since the charter doesn't apply.

I don't know if anyone has been expelled in the past for being gay. The problem is that they have laws that allow them to do so, and the law society wants them changed if they are going to grant them accreditation.


You are still refusing to answer the most basic question though. If you think that this rule isn't enforceable and they would never try to enforce it, why not change the rule so that is perfectly clear?



If you don't care, why are you posting?



The school has a lot of leeway if they just want to keep to themselves and grant their own degrees. They have less leeway when they want to grant degrees that are officially recognized by other organizations, because then they explicitly have to work with those other organizations.

The covenant isn't voluntary if you want to attend the school. You must sign it to attend, and you can be expelled if you do not follow it. What part of that sounds voluntary?
No, no and again no.

What is discrimination? | Canadian Human Rights Commission
 

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Do you realize this is the 258th post?

Is that good?


Lol, I have already gone over the legal aspects of what they are doing about 20 times. No matter how many times I have told you, you still can't seem to figure out that it is the BC Human Rights Code that would apply, not the Canadian Human Rights Code, not the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We also know that under the current interpretation of the BC Human Rights Code, what they are doing does not violate the code since they are exempt.

There is a difference between what is illegal, and what someone might consider discrimination.