Robocalls?? Tempest in a Teapot. BIG surprise.
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Wait, are you arguing that there were never any calls made or that they couldn't prove that the calls constituted a crime? You seem to switch right after that first line.
Lol, no, I am pointing out simple facts that you guys seem to be overlooking.
Uhuh.
I guess he is mad he gave me a thumbs down on my uhuh.
Oh look at that I got one from mentalfloss too. LOL
Where the heck is Cobalt Kid so we can go for a charming 3.
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Gotta balance out the thousands of other stories about it by the CBC when the 'allegations' came out. (CBC sort of reported it like fact if I recall.) By all rights we should be talking about how the whole thing was a big lie and all charges were dropped for about 2 years to make it even.
I am not going to watch every 16 minute Ezra Levant video that you post. If you want to share a news story, share the version without 15 minutes of meaningless rambling.
I actually did start to watch the video in that last post, but after watching two ads and a minute of him rambling, he still had not gotten anywhere near making a point or sharing information.
If you want me to know what his point is, maybe just tell me what it is.
Every news outlet, including Sun media, reported on these stories. They did it because it is a big story and obviously in the public interest.
This report doesn't claim that the calls never happened or that they didn't mislead or antagonize voters. That sort of stuff happening in an election is clearly newsworthy.
All that has happened now is that the feds determined that there wasn't enough evidence to clearly prove the intent behind these actions.
It's nothing new for any media organization to dig for a scandal, it makes for great ratings, sells papers.
Dirty little secrets Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers In ev'rybody's pies
We love to cut you down to size We love dirty laundry
We can do the innuendo We can dance and sing
When it's said and done we haven't Told you a thing
We all know that crap is king Give us dirty laundry
-- Don Henley
So... I think there's some confusion here.
The conclusion reached by Mr. Yves Coté, Commissioner of Canada Elections, is that calls directing electors to the incorrect polling stations were in fact placed by the Conservative Party of Canada. The commissioner's findings were that the timelines of these calls (wherein the Conservative Party called electors to seek support, the electors indicated they supported another party, and the Conservative Party called back to issue the wrong polling information) were insufficient alone to prove an intention to purposefully mislead electors.
(See the appropriate passages of the commissioner's reports here.)
The conclusion reached by Mr. Yves Coté, Commissioner of Canada Elections, is that calls directing electors to the incorrect polling stations were in fact placed by the Conservative Party of Canada. The commissioner's findings were that the timelines of these calls (wherein the Conservative Party called electors to seek support, the electors indicated they supported another party, and the Conservative Party called back to issue the wrong polling information) were insufficient alone to prove an intention to purposefully mislead electors.
(See the appropriate passages of the commissioner's reports here.)
Some people might consider just posting a bunch of links and refusing to actually write anything in your own words to be kinda lazy.
On the flip side, I don't think spending your time watching long video clips on the internet is something that makes you less lazy.
If I told you Rogers called me the other day to try to see me a new cable package, would you have trouble understanding that concept as well?
Fast forward to where? Did I miss the part where you directed us to a specific time in the video?
and yet, I have seen you bitch and complain about those that do massive cut and pastes, which is no different than posting a levant video. Aside from the video taking up more bandwidth and time than the cut and paste of text. But, you go ahead and continue with your slanted video posts and then the resulting bitch and whine when people can't be bothered watching the propaganda.
Screw it. Here is the breakdown.
From Elections Canada. Highlights in red for those suffering ADHD ADD or ODD.
Investigators have confirmedthat errors were made in some calls, directing electors to incorrect poll locations. Some electors were told to vote at a poll other than the one assigned on their VIC, while others were told to vote at a different poll but were counselled to confirm with Elections Canada. Some RMG calls gave erroneous information, and some calls from two local Liberal Party campaigns may have made errors while giving out addresses of poll locations. It is clear that these errors caused confusion for some electors.
So basically there were errors made that caused confusion for some electors.
For the purpose of considering whether or not to refer a possible offence to the Director of Public Prosecutions, however, it is not sufficient to find evidence of misdirection of an elector. There must be evidence of an intention to prevent the elector from voting or, by some pretence or contrivance, to induce the elector to vote or not vote for a particular candidate. No such evidence was found.
So basically there was no evidence found.
Some complainants reported having received calls from the Conservative Party asking if they would support that party. Having told the caller that they would not, the electors reported receiving calls a short time later directing them to vote at a location other than the one indicated on their VIC. Investigators found no evidence of a link between calls from the Conservative Party seeking support and reported calls to electors misdirecting them. It is understandable that the fact of electors receiving misdirecting calls after stating they would not support the Conservative Party could have been interpreted as an indication that something inappropriate was happening. However, for the purpose of an investigation of a criminal nature, more than a close juxtaposition in time is required. There needs to be other evidence that links the two together. Investigators did not find any such evidence.
So basically, Investigators found no such evidence.
The fact that electors received a call or several calls asking for their support is part of the normal process practiced by each of the major political parties. By some accounts, millions of such calls were made during the election period. It is not illegal, nor inappropriate, for a party to seek to gauge or confirm its level of support during an election period.
So basically, every party does this prior to and on election day.
Had there been an effort to purposely mislead electors, investigators would have expected to see a single predominant calling number or constellation of such calling numbers. This was not found, based on the information collected in the course of the investigation. Had a false or untraceable incoming number been used in an effort to purposely misdirect electors, investigators again would have expected to see a pattern with multiple calls into a single electoral district from the same number, as occurred in Guelph. No such pattern was found.
The above is interesting. No constellation of calling numbers was found. Basically, they found nothing to indicate misdirection.
Investigators found no discernible pattern of misdirecting calls intended to prevent the elector from voting or, by some pretence or contrivance, to induce the elector to vote or not vote for a particular candidate. In the RMG calls listened to (RMG being, as noted above, the only company to record live calls), although investigators noted instances in which electors were given incorrect poll location information, there were relatively few in which the caller stated that his or her information was correct and that the elector's VIC was wrong. Similarly, investigators found no evidence in this investigation to corroborate reports that callers posed as an Elections Canada employee or stated that the call was coming from Elections Canada.
At this point, I'm beginning to think that Stephen Harper has infiltrated Elections Canada with Sharks with Laser beams on their heads and forced them to write this report...
Read the rest here yuh crazy kids.
From Elections Canada. Highlights in red for those suffering ADHD ADD or ODD.
Investigators have confirmedthat errors were made in some calls, directing electors to incorrect poll locations. Some electors were told to vote at a poll other than the one assigned on their VIC, while others were told to vote at a different poll but were counselled to confirm with Elections Canada. Some RMG calls gave erroneous information, and some calls from two local Liberal Party campaigns may have made errors while giving out addresses of poll locations. It is clear that these errors caused confusion for some electors.
So basically there were errors made that caused confusion for some electors.
For the purpose of considering whether or not to refer a possible offence to the Director of Public Prosecutions, however, it is not sufficient to find evidence of misdirection of an elector. There must be evidence of an intention to prevent the elector from voting or, by some pretence or contrivance, to induce the elector to vote or not vote for a particular candidate. No such evidence was found.
So basically there was no evidence found.
Some complainants reported having received calls from the Conservative Party asking if they would support that party. Having told the caller that they would not, the electors reported receiving calls a short time later directing them to vote at a location other than the one indicated on their VIC. Investigators found no evidence of a link between calls from the Conservative Party seeking support and reported calls to electors misdirecting them. It is understandable that the fact of electors receiving misdirecting calls after stating they would not support the Conservative Party could have been interpreted as an indication that something inappropriate was happening. However, for the purpose of an investigation of a criminal nature, more than a close juxtaposition in time is required. There needs to be other evidence that links the two together. Investigators did not find any such evidence.
So basically, Investigators found no such evidence.
The fact that electors received a call or several calls asking for their support is part of the normal process practiced by each of the major political parties. By some accounts, millions of such calls were made during the election period. It is not illegal, nor inappropriate, for a party to seek to gauge or confirm its level of support during an election period.
So basically, every party does this prior to and on election day.
Had there been an effort to purposely mislead electors, investigators would have expected to see a single predominant calling number or constellation of such calling numbers. This was not found, based on the information collected in the course of the investigation. Had a false or untraceable incoming number been used in an effort to purposely misdirect electors, investigators again would have expected to see a pattern with multiple calls into a single electoral district from the same number, as occurred in Guelph. No such pattern was found.
The above is interesting. No constellation of calling numbers was found. Basically, they found nothing to indicate misdirection.
Investigators found no discernible pattern of misdirecting calls intended to prevent the elector from voting or, by some pretence or contrivance, to induce the elector to vote or not vote for a particular candidate. In the RMG calls listened to (RMG being, as noted above, the only company to record live calls), although investigators noted instances in which electors were given incorrect poll location information, there were relatively few in which the caller stated that his or her information was correct and that the elector's VIC was wrong. Similarly, investigators found no evidence in this investigation to corroborate reports that callers posed as an Elections Canada employee or stated that the call was coming from Elections Canada.
At this point, I'm beginning to think that Stephen Harper has infiltrated Elections Canada with Sharks with Laser beams on their heads and forced them to write this report...
Read the rest here yuh crazy kids.
I don't think anyone is confused about these points.
The report states that these calls did happen and they did mislead and antagonize voters.
The report also states that there is not enough evidence to prove malicious intent.
People on either side of this debate seems to simply disagree on what this means.
Conservative supporters keep claiming that this means that they never did anything wrong and all the scrutiny was wrong and unwarranted.
People who are more critical are focusing on the fact that the report confirms that these calls did take place, and that saying that there is not enough evidence to prove intent is a far cry from proving that nothing wrong took place and that all the scrutiny was unwarranted.
Lol, and you think you are being at all useful in this conversation?you're as useless as t i t s on a bull son. :lol:
