Demons and Evil

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Twila said:
Has anyone approached the topic of demons yet? I'm interested in hearing everyone's opinion on them. Whether they believe in them or not.
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In my carefully considered and not very humble opinion, there are no demons. Neither are there any angels, deities, incubi, succubi, golems, zombies, walking dead, or anything of the sort. There are no supernatural beings of any kind, from gods to tooth fairies to monsters under the bed. They're all products of the imagination and have no reality beyond that.
 
Blackleaf

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Ever see a list of his mentors? Look it up, insane men each and every one and they didn't extinct themselves with the end of the war, they were brought to America and given a new company to run, .... the CIA
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A lot of them escaped to South America, with the help of the Catholic Church.

In 2012 I read a brilliant book about the capture of Adolf Eichmann in Argentina by Mossad in the early 1960s.

WLDB said:
Even if he was, what of his followers who actually carried out his orders? Saying he was possessed by a demon, or a serial killer was is a way of letting that person off the hook and denying the fact that we on our own are capable of doing horrible things.
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Many of his followers, such as Himmler, who killed himself by taking a cyanide pill whilst in British custody, were also supposedly posessed by demons. It's a well known fact that the Nazis dabbled in the occult.



"Experts" have no explanation to how Hitler and the Nazis became so callous and evil. To most Christians it is obvious that Hitler and most of the high ranking Nazis were demon possessed. But for the skeptics I would like to show some interesting evidence that Hitler was really demon possessed.

In 1904, when Hitler was 15 years of age, he was with a friend, August Kubizek, when suddenly, he grabbed Kubizek's hands and held them extremely tight. His eyes turned feverish and he began to speak in a voice that was loud, hoarse, and raucous. Kubizek felt that some strange being had seized control of Adolf, and was inhabiting his body. Hitler began to speak eloquently about a Mandate to rule Germany, leading her back to her rightful glory.

In this period, 1903-1913, acquaintances also noted that Hitler changed from a shy, timid speaker who seemed to stumble over his words, to a most powerful, spellbinding orator, who seemed to be able to weave a spellbinding effect over his audience. Yet, his voice was not his own, and he seemed to be transfixed by a strange force, as he was speaking (Page 69). In the book, "Hitler's Ashes", the authors comment on the change in Hitler's oratorical style, "Many people believe that the poorly trained Adolf Hitler became the most accomplished orator who ever lived ... His technique has been compared to the gradual seduction of a beautiful woman applied to a whole nation."

Many in the higher echelons of the Nazi Party were convinced that Hitler was possessed. Hermann Rauschning, the Governor of Danzig and confidant of the German dictator, claimed that Hitler often suffered terrible nightmares, and awoke many times to see a phantom-like being in his room. Rauschning gives an account of the Fuhrer's night-terror in his book 'Hitler Speaks':

"A person close to Hitler told me that he wakes up in the night, screaming and in convulsions. He calls for help, and appears to be half paralysed. He is seized with a panic that makes him tremble until the bed shakes. He utters confused and unintelligible sounds, gasping, as if on the point of suffocation. The same person described to me one of these fits, with details I would refuse to believe had I not complete confidence in my informant. Hitler was standing up in his room, swaying and looking all round as if he were lost. "It's he, it's he," he groaned; "he's come for me!" His lips were white; he was sweating profusely... suddenly he screamed: "There! There! Over in the corner! He is there!""

Was Hitler demon possessed?
 
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Dexter Sinister

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No. Any demon, if they have the characteristics usually ascribed to them, would have been smart enough to foresee that opening the eastern front was a loser. Plain old psychosis is much the more parsimonious explanation.
 
Motar

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Twila said:
How does one become possessed?
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One makes a foolish choice, Twila. (active)

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons." (I Timothy 4:1 NIV)

Spiritual insensitivity follows. (passive)

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1 NIV)

Occult capabilities surface. (passive)

"...we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future." (Acts 16:16 NIV)

Insidious captivity sets in. (passive)

"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8 NIV)

Adolescence is a particularly vulnerable time for this type of spiritual derailment because of the physiological upheaval and perceived isolation that accompanies it.
 
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I think demons are quite real to those who believe in them. So are fairies, gnomes and pixies. Personal reality is based on personal beliefs. Satan is very real to Christians because they believe in him. That is why I said Satan is alive and doing well in Christianity. I have know people who could manifest their deepest fears in the form of monsters and demons. One woman manifested a rapist that she had helped put in jail. He appeared to her almost every night and left bruises and scratches on her body, even though he was still in jail.
 
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Spade said:
A daemon in the buff revealed.
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Surely you reference the serpent, Spade. But where is the recently shed snakeskin? Oh, right. Aronofsky's Noah is wearing it as a magical talisman.
 
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Good and evil?
People still look at life from a good or evil perspective?
Wow , how primitive.

Good and evil is all in you''re head. It's a perspective based on you & you're needs.
What's good for you can potentially be very evil for others.


Looking at life in this perspective is like thinking the world is flat.
 
Twila

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Angstrom said:
Good and evil?
People still look at life from a good or evil perspective?
Wow , how primitive.

Good and evil is all in you''re head. It's a perspective based on you & you're needs.
What's good for you can potentially be very evil for others.


Looking at life in this perspective is like thinking the world is flat.
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The world is flat:

Wired 13.05: Why the World Is Flat

I was in India interviewing Nandan Nilekani at Infosys. And he said to me, "Tom, the playing field is being leveled." Indians and Chinese were going to compete for work like never before, and Americans weren't ready. I kept chewing over that phrase - the playing field is being leveled - and then it hit me: Holy mackerel, the world is becoming flat. Several technological and political forces have converged, and that has produced a global, Web-enabled playing field that allows for multiple forms of collaboration without regard to geography or distance - or soon, even language.
 
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