Standoff at nevada ranch

[Highball]

This could get very ugly. The seizure of the livestock and then refusing entry to the rancher who has historically grazed cattle on the land for three decades may become a question of "Past Practice" in a Court of law. I would like to see the rancher prevail but now is the US of Ameriki it won't happen.

 

[gerryh]

No matter what it is about time there was armed insurrection against a government that has torn up the constitution and bill of rights, abolished 'posse comitatus'

can you provide proof of the government having abolished posse comitatus?

 

[petros]

yabut, doesn't he want you to say indians or something like that?

"worked" doesn't jive with the question.

 

[damngrumpy]

Yes his family worked the land for decades that didn't make the land his.
We have ranchers with cattle on Crown Grazing land and they pay a fee
to do that. This guy just runs his cattle and lets everyone else pay the
grazing fees. The government should talk with him and ensure he pays
like everyone else of drive his cattle off the land. Can't feel sorry for the
act of stupidity on behalf of the rancher

 

[DaSleeper]

He said in an interview that he doesn't mind paying the State but not the Feds....


It's just the greennies controlling the Federal Government of the US of A....

 

[Locutus]

Why wait 20 years to confront this um, 'deadbeat'?

Surely it has nothing to do with the $5B. Surely not.

Surely.

 

[B00Mer]

And his sacred right to run cattle on land that isn't his without paying.

Nevada is Free Range..

 

[PoliticalNick]

can you provide proof of the government having abolished posse comitatus?

Read the PATRIOT ACT and its amendments. They have made an end-run around the entire bill of rights and most of the constitution and yes, repealed the posse comitatus act.

When you see the legislation that has been passed such as the repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act, it now allows the military to take over police duties.

Posse Comitatus Repealed! | Libertarian

Barely noticed by our mainstream media, HR 1540 (signed into law by president Obama on December 31, 2011) has set the stage for the repeal of constitutional government, not to mention the development of the “Surveillance State”, which has recently been the object of heated debate.

The American republic is fractured. The tendency is towards the establishment of a totalitarian State, a military government dressed in civilian clothes.

The adoption of the “National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), HR 1540) is tantamount to the militarization of law enforcement, the repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Inauguration in 2012 of Police State USA.

The Inauguration of Police State USA. Towards a Democratic Dictatorship? | Global Research

Ron Paul furious over repeal of Posse Comitatus Act
Read more at LiveLeak.com - Ron Paul furious over repeal of Posse Comitatus Act

LiveLeak.com - Ron Paul furious over repeal of Posse Comitatus Act

Senator Mark Udall (D-CO) said of this bill, “One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. Soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. Military to preform law enforcement functions on American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must be resolved.”

S1867 would overturn Posse Comitatus Act - Dallas Congress | Examiner.com

Do you want more or do you think you might learn how to use google yourself?

 

[Locutus]

Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Feds

Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Federal Government - ABC News

 

[PoliticalNick]

Looks like the feds woke up to the fact they can't win against 300 million people! Now is the time to keep pushing to regain all the rights they have illegally legislated away.

Amid Mounting Pressure, BLM Backs Down In Ranch Standoff
This is a huge departure from the action of federal agents over the past week, which included arrests, physical assaults, and threats against protesters and the Bundy family.

Above: Sheriff speaks to crowd of protesters about announcement. 3 minutes in, protesters demand to know what is happening to the cattle seized by the BLM already. Its unclear what is happening regarding the already seized property.

Thanks to the unwavering support of freedom-loving Americans across the country, federal agents once determined to strip a Nevada ranching family of its rights at any cost have now reportedly reversed course.


YES — Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins ‘Range War’ With Federal Government #bundyranch Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Federal Government - ABC News

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) April 12, 2014
Just one day after Western Journalism began circulating a petition for the Bureau of Land Management to back down from its authoritarian position against the Clark County, Nev., family, the agency announced Saturday that its targeted attack will not continue. This is a huge departure from the action of federal agents over the past week, which included arrests, physical assaults, and threats against protesters and the Bundy family.

Since the standoff began, however, law enforcement officers, legislators, state militia members, and the general public have increasingly voiced their opposition to the use of excessive force in removing cattle from the ranch.

Just think if we lived in a gun controlled country. The government would have bullied the people at #BundyRanch and taken it over #FightBack — Alexi Kudej (@AKudej25) April 12, 2014
A brewing scandal emerged Friday, complete with allegations that Nevada Sen. Harry Reid had a vested interest in removing the Bundys from the property based on a desire to see lucrative plans for a solar farm in the county come to fruition. More than 7,500 individuals added their name to our petition which, along with the efforts of numerous other groups, sent a clear message that Americans are tired of seeing the federal government strip away their constitutional rights.

Upon hearing the news from Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie that the BLM is backing down, supporters reacted with enthusiastic applause. A beleaguered Cliven Bundy, who said he would fight to the end to protect his land if necessary, rallied one last time to give Gillespie a one hour timeline within which to disarm federal agents surrounding his ranch.

While the entire standoff was a disturbing show of force by the federal government against American citizens, Saturday’s resolution is seen by many as a victory for freedom within an increasingly statist society. Though there is no indication at this point that the hundreds of head of cattle already removed under order of the BLM will be returned, the Bundy family can at least rest assured that, for now, their ranch is safe.

Though the federal threat has now subsided, many are urging the family to remain vigilant.

Don’t lower your guard at the #BundyRanch. They’ll try to sneak back later: It Really Is About Our Rights - North Florida Writer You can’t trust our govt. #ccot

— James **** (@NFloridaWriter) April 12, 2014
BLM Director — and former Reid senior adviser — Neil Kornze issued a press release on behalf of the agency, expressing its intent to leave the Bundy family alone:

As we have said from the beginning of the gather to remove illegal cattle from federal land consistent with court orders, a safe and peaceful operation is our number one priority. After one week, we have made progress in enforcing two recent court orders to remove the trespass cattle from public lands that belong to all Americans.

Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.

We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner.

Ranching has always been an important part of our nation’s heritage and continues throughout the West on public lands that belong to all Americans. This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public lands ranchers do every year. After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially.

Read more at Amid Mounting Pressure, BLM Backs Down In Ranch Standoff

Amid Mounting Pressure, BLM Backs Down In Ranch Standoff

 

[gerryh]

Read the PATRIOT ACT and its amendments. They have made an end-run around the entire bill of rights and most of the constitution and yes, repealed the posse comitatus act.

From your own quoted article.

Section 1031 does not differentiate between U.S. Citizens and enemy combatants, and though Section 1032 (b) which refers to the applicability to U.S. Citizens states, “(1) United State Citizens—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”


Ooooops....... but then again, it's always fun to listen to the fear mongers and the chicken littles.

 

[Locutus]

Kathleen McKinley ‏@KatMcKinley

This photo of a standoff between armed Feds and American citizens is SURREAL. #BundyRanch pic.twitter.com/Q7dYqgv2Qj

 

[eh1eh]

This is wacko.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Good for the rancher.

 

[Locutus]

» Feds Back Down From Bundy Siege After Infowars Exposé of Chinese Land Grab Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

the US government sucks big time right now. big fukkin' time.

 

[PoliticalNick]

From your own quoted article.

Section 1031 does not differentiate between U.S. Citizens and enemy combatants, and though Section 1032 (b) which refers to the applicability to U.S. Citizens states, “(1) United State Citizens—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”


Ooooops....... but then again, it's always fun to listen to the fear mongers and the chicken littles.

Maybe you should actually study the entire issue except for one little quote taken out of context. the article goes on to say....

This might not be a problem if not for the fact that in 2009 Homeland Security released a report which called most Americans possible terrorists. Read on and see if you might be one of the people this administration considers a terrorist, and who therefore needs to worry about this overturn of the Posse Comitatus Act.

From the Homeland Security report: “Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.” In other words, if you support the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution and want the government out of your business then this administration considers you a terrorist. So, do you really want Obama to have the power to send the military to arrest you and detain you “under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities” as prescribed in Section 1031 of this act?

Don't ever let facts and truth get in the way of your little man syndrome. :roll:

 

[gerryh]

Maybe you should actually study the entire issue except for one little quote taken out of context. the article goes on to say....


Don't ever let facts and truth get in the way of your little man syndrome. :roll:

Those aren't facts. Those are opinions voiced by chicken little. The american ARMED FORCES, which include the Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines can not and never have been able to enforce local laws. Coast Guard and National Guard do not fall into this category. The various governments of the u.s. have done a hell of a doing, what some consider and end run, by creating Homeland Security with the accompanying "militia" to back them up. So I say again, show where the law has been repealed. It is still on the books, it is still in effect. Show other wise.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No matter what it is about time there was armed insurrection against a government that has torn up the constitution and bill of rights, abolished 'posse comitatus' (if you don't know what that is look it up), and is openly spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve. My big hope is that it may spill over into Canada and we will demolish our current govt and the broken system so as to start over with much of our true freedoms and rights restored.

So, you gonna grab a rifle and get stuck in, or are you only willing to protect your sacred freedoms to the last drop of somebody else's blood?

 

[gerryh]

So, you gonna grab a rifle and get stuck in, or are you only willing to protect your sacred freedoms to the last drop of somebody else's blood?

Of course he's not.

 

[PoliticalNick]

So, you gonna grab a rifle and get stuck in, or are you only willing to protect your sacred freedoms to the last drop of somebody else's blood?

I have more than one firearm and am quite prepared to use them against all who threaten my freedom or my family including the govt and its agents. I actually look forward to the time we can get rid of this broken system and write a new constitution that severely limits govt and forces them to serve the will of the citizens only. I would prefer it to be done without bloodshed, like Iceland did in 2009, but I am ready to use deadly force if need be. I just ain't gonna do it alone so until the majority of the population wakes up to how twisted the current system is and demands change I have to wait patiently.