Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

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How far would he get if he was going to an OWS meeting in NY,NY.

Even speaking Russian isn't a sign they are Russians, The ones that quit the military would also have had Russian speaking people in it. You also have to consider what they were guarding and if they were the same quality of soldier that he would have found at the airport or a government building. There is a vid where an unarmed group left their base to confront the 'armed gunmen' and a warning shot was fire by one of the 'gunmen' and he was unmasked. Just looking at his physical conditioning he looks more like a cadet except his demeanor after lowering his weapon from firing the shot high to a between the eyes if he fired again. He looks like he was 'vibrating with emotion' and he would have plugged somebody so they were wise to stop when they did. Two possibilities, he would have been a Russian elite solider that was first in with the 'new trucks' and when Russia announced somebody was going to be getting Russian passports that is when they were brought back onto Russian soil. They left the trucks and more came in from Russia and possibly from the port. If they were permitted to have 25,000 troops under certain circumstances (civil guard duties was not part of those). That would mean the port could hold supplies for that many solders, such as feeding and clothing. The military, or former military if you will, were the ones that swore an oath to 'defend Crimean soil and all that is on it'. The 'chubby soldier' could have been bowling with some of the ones that marched out of the local military base. What happens when a new Government is voted in will those holdouts then obey the new officials or do they get classified as being rebels.

With these vids of 'men in green' the part where you pick out the 'officer' can be a bit challenging, not in the one just above though. I'm also pretty sure the guys with the rifles slung over their back are also officers. Less than 10 days until the referendum of separating from the Ukraine, if the vote is towards joining Russia then would the results of the vote be presented to the 'temp Government' and that would have to be added to the vote in May for Crimea. If other parts of the country wanted to be added that would be a good time to do it. The March 16 vote is going to be in favor of breaking away from the Ukraine and then joining Russia. (rather than Russia annexing the land and the people when it is against their will as shown on a 'fair vote'. In a disputed region you vote on everything. In Iraq all the voters should have different colored fingers and toes by now.
That also means the population has to be informed somehow, in Crimea the small size would mean coffee-shops would know all the players and all the highlights. Radio and TV and Wi-fi would be where all the 'breaking news' would originate from and then the voters would have to 'discuss' the pros and cons. Haiti just got finished paying off a loan to France that took 250 years. The loan was their price of freedom even though they had taken over the land already. How many Ukraine voters knows all the finer parts of the IMF deal in the 'payback and get out of my life' arena.

Henry needs to submit a new resume that shows he has been to sensitivity training. Lacking that listen carefully to what the says and then check out how it would work if you did the exact opposite.
 

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How far would he get if he was going to an OWS meeting in NY,NY.

Even speaking Russian isn't a sign they are Russians, The ones that quit the military would also have had Russian speaking people in it. You also have to consider what they were guarding and if they were the same quality of soldier that he would have found at the airport or a government building. There is a vid where an unarmed group left their base to confront the 'armed gunmen' and a warning shot was fire by one of the 'gunmen' and he was unmasked. Just looking at his physical conditioning he looks more like a cadet except his demeanor after lowering his weapon from firing the shot high to a between the eyes if he fired again. He looks like he was 'vibrating with emotion' and he would have plugged somebody so they were wise to stop when they did. Two possibilities, he would have been a Russian elite solider that was first in with the 'new trucks' and when Russia announced somebody was going to be getting Russian passports that is when they were brought back onto Russian soil. They left the trucks and more came in from Russia and possibly from the port. If they were permitted to have 25,000 troops under certain circumstances (civil guard duties was not part of those). That would mean the port could hold supplies for that many solders, such as feeding and clothing. The military, or former military if you will, were the ones that swore an oath to 'defend Crimean soil and all that is on it'. The 'chubby soldier' could have been bowling with some of the ones that marched out of the local military base. What happens when a new Government is voted in will those holdouts then obey the new officials or do they get classified as being rebels.

With these vids of 'men in green' the part where you pick out the 'officer' can be a bit challenging, not in the one just above though. I'm also pretty sure the guys with the rifles slung over their back are also officers. Less than 10 days until the referendum of separating from the Ukraine, if the vote is towards joining Russia then would the results of the vote be presented to the 'temp Government' and that would have to be added to the vote in May for Crimea. If other parts of the country wanted to be added that would be a good time to do it. The March 16 vote is going to be in favor of breaking away from the Ukraine and then joining Russia. (rather than Russia annexing the land and the people when it is against their will as shown on a 'fair vote'. In a disputed region you vote on everything. In Iraq all the voters should have different colored fingers and toes by now.
That also means the population has to be informed somehow, in Crimea the small size would mean coffee-shops would know all the players and all the highlights. Radio and TV and Wi-fi would be where all the 'breaking news' would originate from and then the voters would have to 'discuss' the pros and cons. Haiti just got finished paying off a loan to France that took 250 years. The loan was their price of freedom even though they had taken over the land already. How many Ukraine voters knows all the finer parts of the IMF deal in the 'payback and get out of my life' arena.


Henry needs to submit a new resume that shows he has been to sensitivity training. Lacking that listen carefully to what the says and then check out how it would work if you did the exact opposite.
Lord tunderin geezuz man more half truth's . You keep comparing as they are us and our values which is not even close.
Russian language , ya think or did you forget that USSR was Moscow controlled , the communist's starved many in Ukraine before WW2 of course that may have been a plot from the CIA or Canada who travelled back in time to make this happen so we can be where we are at today.
So we are clear Putin is the one who changed Russian history books by saying that Stalin was not a mass murder and a real Russian hero , ya the man who killed more people than Hitler a hero kind of turns your stomach.
Having lived in both countries gives you an insight you will not find on the net unless you actually work to find it and actually using brain power to think what is going on there , the consequences also bring the bigger picture to light but if you just use part stories and truth's as facts you have a....lie imagine that.
As I said before engage brain before engaging mouth...you are the best example of that motto
 

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Lord tunderin geezuz man more half truth's . You keep comparing as they are us and our values which is not even close.
Not everybody that speaks French is a separatist loyalist in Quebec let alone in all of Canada. When is the last time 675,000 had to run to Quebec because persecution in the rest of the country was life threatening be it in BC or NFLD.

Russian language , ya think or did you forget that USSR was Moscow controlled , the communist's starved many in Ukraine before WW2 of course that may have been a plot from the CIA or Canada who travelled back in time to make this happen so we can be where we are at today.
10 million in 1933. Who was in control of the Moscow Communists? About that same time German Jews had organized had organized a worldwide boycott against anything made by Germany.
I'm not particularly fond of that genocidal move being forgotten while a smaller number get killed in a time of declared war. Got a video on that deception too, if it was relevant I would post it. Other than Putin is not making those same kinds of moves what is your point? You are not going to like it when the number of dead civilians in Iraq from 1991 until today is published yet it is no different in anything but the same level of condemnation of it. If it was flat out wrong no matter who put the idea on the table back then it remains the same today. Compare the two and perhaps you can see the type of propaganda was pulled that didn't cause other to rise up and speak out against it. Does Canada have any official statements condemning the massacre? I'm thinking not.

So we are clear Putin is the one who changed Russian history books by saying that Stalin was not a mass murder and a real Russian hero , ya the man who killed more people than Hitler a hero kind of turns your stomach.
A Russian by any other name .... You should be happy Putin is a moderate and is actually in charge. He's quite aware that his popularity on the foreign stage reflects on all of Russian and of all Russian only speaking people. If he followed what the US did it would tank in a single day. If he goes about it the way the US should have then he is not at fault.
It is like saying the Indians cheated when they used a loophole in the way a treaty was set up to win a right or some case in the same court that usually voted against the Indians.

Having lived in both countries gives you an insight you will not find on the net unless you actually work to find it and actually using brain power to think what is going on there , the consequences also bring the bigger picture to light but if you just use part stories and truth's as facts you have a....lie imagine that.
It gives you insight only if you have spent equal time with all different factions. If you were in Kiev during the riots then why are you against Crimea stopping that sort of activity? (If it was NATO troops would you object?)
The bigger picture is to bring the Ukraine under the control of the IMF and that gives international business the right to tell the Government what direction the Nation will take. Harper gave that same speech in Cancun about Canada and he wasn't just talking about just the Harper Government

As I said before engage brain before engaging mouth...you are the best example of that motto
I have you holding the reins so I don't expect to get too far off track. How much force should have Russia used defending it's Embassy in Kiev or did they make the right move by letting it fall?

Russia would have the right to start having troops on it's base in Crimea, under international law those troops would be Russian speaking Ukrainians right? (either from Crimea of Eastern Ukraine) and those 'troops' would be the 'police' for all the Russian speaking people that chose to be refugees (in Crimea) until after the election and Crimea is Ukrainian soil at the moment while going directly to Russia it might be said that their right to vote was voided because they were not on Ukrainian soil anymore. It's fine if Crimea is packed with people (transportation provided by those same 'masked gunmen'). The bill can be sent to the temp government and in order to have any of their 'improvements' become fixed they would also have to win in the May election or there will be another overthrow if the winners reject the IMF offer.

Russia can start 'fixing up Crimea' and the IMF can't fix up the Ukraine because there is no lock on what they would have to invest between now and May. Invest meaning the IMF gives out some money that hires International Corporations to run the business and commerce sectors and NATO supplies the defense.
 

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Opposition Ukrainian leader Vitali Klitschko meets French President François Hollande

 

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The two-faced Germans are letting Putin wreak havoc


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By Simon Heffer

As Europe’s leading power, a global economic titan, and a nation that has sought since 1945 to set an example of peace and democracy, Germany ought to be at the forefront of demands for sanctions to be imposed on Russia after its outrageous behaviour in Ukraine.

But it has signally failed to discharge its moral duty towards Europe. The main reason is self-interest because the German economy is massively dependent on Russia. Not only is Russia one of the main markets for its exports, but its industry and homes rely so heavily on the country’s gas and oil.

What’s more, Germany’s chancellor, Angela Merkel (who grew up in a Soviet-controlled area east of Berlin) and her Kremlin counterpart Vladimir Putin (who once worked for the KGB in Dresden) have a pretty strong relationship.


Too close for comfort: Angela Merkel with Vladimir Putin, one of her country's major trading partners

Hard economic facts graphically reveal the two countries’ interdependence.

Germany is Russia’s third biggest trading partner and accounts for 31 per cent of Russia’s imports from the EU. At least 6,100 German companies have capital investments in Russia, turning over 40 billion euros in 2012 and employing 270,000 people.

The main factor behind Germany’s reluctance to challenge Russian aggression, though, is the fact that 35 per cent of its natural gas and oil supplies come from Russia.

The effect of Germany’s failure to lead the EU and demand tough sanctions against Moscow means that a divided West is left to look on haplessly as the Russian tyrant remains free to continue unimpeded in his bullying of his neighbours.

Most chillingly, this means that Putin might also feel emboldened to start menacing other former Soviet states such as Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia which, like Ukraine, have considerable Russian minorities. Indeed, this is a truly inglorious moment for Mrs Merkel.

Eastern European nations that were formed after the fall of the Iron Curtain had come to regard Germany as a friend and protector. But now they feel very vulnerable.Not only is there a deep sense of betrayal but, in the case of the Baltic states, a fear at being left brutally exposed to Putin’s almost medieval concepts of the exercise of power.

There are, of course, historical resonances that make Germany very wary of upsetting Russia.

In living memory — less than 70 years ago — the Red Army raped, murdered and pillaged its way across the eastern part of Germany exacting a fearsome revenge for the Nazi onslaught against the Soviet Union in 1941-43.

A generation earlier, the Kaiser and the Tsar had been linked by the closest ties of blood. And in the 18th century Russia and Prussia carved up central Europe between them to keep the peace, partitioning — and effectively eliminating — Poland in the process.

Indeed, the world has learnt to its immense cost that whenever either Russia or Germany follows the philosophy that might is right, the lands between them have suffered a bloodbath.

This is perhaps why modern Germany believes that its security, even more than its economic prosperity, depends on being on good terms with Russia.

It is a pity that these selfish considerations now prevent Mrs Merkel from doing what is right and lead the EU into a defence of Ukrainian sovereignty.

It is not too late for her to realise the moral imperative of confronting Putin and standing up for democracy against the iron fist of tyranny.


 

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Not everybody that speaks French is a separatist loyalist in Quebec let alone in all of Canada. When is the last time 675,000 had to run to Quebec because persecution in the rest of the country was life threatening be it in BC or NFLD.


10 million in 1933. Who was in control of the Moscow Communists? About that same time German Jews had organized had organized a worldwide boycott against anything made by Germany.
I'm not particularly fond of that genocidal move being forgotten while a smaller number get killed in a time of declared war. Got a video on that deception too, if it was relevant I would post it. Other than Putin is not making those same kinds of moves what is your point? You are not going to like it when the number of dead civilians in Iraq from 1991 until today is published yet it is no different in anything but the same level of condemnation of it. If it was flat out wrong no matter who put the idea on the table back then it remains the same today. Compare the two and perhaps you can see the type of propaganda was pulled that didn't cause other to rise up and speak out against it. Does Canada have any official statements condemning the massacre? I'm thinking not.


A Russian by any other name .... You should be happy Putin is a moderate and is actually in charge. He's quite aware that his popularity on the foreign stage reflects on all of Russian and of all Russian only speaking people. If he followed what the US did it would tank in a single day. If he goes about it the way the US should have then he is not at fault.
It is like saying the Indians cheated when they used a loophole in the way a treaty was set up to win a right or some case in the same court that usually voted against the Indians.


It gives you insight only if you have spent equal time with all different factions. If you were in Kiev during the riots then why are you against Crimea stopping that sort of activity? (If it was NATO troops would you object?)
The bigger picture is to bring the Ukraine under the control of the IMF and that gives international business the right to tell the Government what direction the Nation will take. Harper gave that same speech in Cancun about Canada and he wasn't just talking about just the Harper Government


I have you holding the reins so I don't expect to get too far off track. How much force should have Russia used defending it's Embassy in Kiev or did they make the right move by letting it fall?

Russia would have the right to start having troops on it's base in Crimea, under international law those troops would be Russian speaking Ukrainians right? (either from Crimea of Eastern Ukraine) and those 'troops' would be the 'police' for all the Russian speaking people that chose to be refugees (in Crimea) until after the election and Crimea is Ukrainian soil at the moment while going directly to Russia it might be said that their right to vote was voided because they were not on Ukrainian soil anymore. It's fine if Crimea is packed with people (transportation provided by those same 'masked gunmen'). The bill can be sent to the temp government and in order to have any of their 'improvements' become fixed they would also have to win in the May election or there will be another overthrow if the winners reject the IMF offer.

Russia can start 'fixing up Crimea' and the IMF can't fix up the Ukraine because there is no lock on what they would have to invest between now and May. Invest meaning the IMF gives out some money that hires International Corporations to run the business and commerce sectors and NATO supplies the defense.
LOL...you keep proving my point and I thank you for that.

Russia is no ones friend , if you have not figured that out there is no hope for you.
You talk as an expert and never been there , we talk with people all over Ukraine FYI
Crimea is Ukrainian territory , the only problem is the lies from Putin and people like you who will never see the truth until it is to late , the whole"protect the russian population" is a lie but you knew that and yet you keep coming up with these bogus comments so put some intelligent ideas up or just stay off the comments.
 

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Putin is going to take over Crimea because Obama is going to let him, just like Obama let him take South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And Obama's doing it because he's a Kenyan Muslim Russian socialist weak indecisive iron-fisted dictator who wants to destroy America.
 

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LOL...you keep proving my point and I thank you for that.

Russia is no ones friend , if you have not figured that out there is no hope for you.
You talk as an expert and never been there , we talk with people all over Ukraine FYI
Crimea is Ukrainian territory , the only problem is the lies from Putin and people like you who will never see the truth until it is to late , the whole"protect the russian population" is a lie but you knew that and yet you keep coming up with these bogus comments so put some intelligent ideas up or just stay off the comments.
Russia didn't invite themselves into Crimea, they were asked.
What does your pipeline say about this city, liberated or put into hard bondage?
PressTV - Pro-Russia protesters take over Ukraine?s Lugansk city

Which of the caption with the photo's is misleading. Notice the lack of riot gear on both sides.

Ukraine clashes see Russian activists attack pro-Kiev rally in Crimea, Sevastopol | Mail Online

If Russia only had the 'blue' bases why did the Ukraine need so many other bases? and how much was that costing per year?http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html
 

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Russia didn't invite themselves into Crimea, they were asked.
What does your pipeline say about this city, liberated or put into hard bondage?
PressTV - Pro-Russia protesters take over Ukraine?s Lugansk city

Which of the caption with the photo's is misleading. Notice the lack of riot gear on both sides.

Ukraine clashes see Russian activists attack pro-Kiev rally in Crimea, Sevastopol | Mail Online

If Russia only had the 'blue' bases why did the Ukraine need so many other bases? and how much was that costing per year?http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html
Here is a lesson for you on Russia the country you seem to admire so much.
The reason I was hired there was because they do not have the people with the knowledge to build infrastructure.
As you know Russia is the largest country in the world with little or no roads , trains or very much of any kind of transportation system in place , why because they have been to busy taking huge profits and putting it offshore in other countries because they do not trust Putin. There drilling and mining is ancient at best and have had to rely heavily on USA , UK and Canadian people/companies to try and bring them to the 21st century which is very hard with all the corruption embedded in their system.
You listen to much to the yapping from Putin and do not read anything else , they are for all purposes a 3rd world country in over 75% of the country....no power no running water no roads little or no communication and in most cases no law enforcement or justice system of any kind.

Take that and look at the enviromental policies , we will keep this simple , there are none except those that are kept by companies operating under there countries laws.
Now you can be a great country but you need to do great things not just make headlines and say pretty words , in plain english you have to do it.

Russia chose to build her military and forget everything else which is hurting them as they are very very prone to sanctions both trade and money. They have little agriculture as we have and cannot feed there people as is without trading for it . Over the years Russia has raped , killed or rendered useless a lot of lands and forest because of her policies and if you go there it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out it is not going well for them. Ukraine is the breadbasket and is very valuable to Russia which seems to get over looked here.
People in Ukraine have already seen what Russia does and do not want any part of it so going to the EU is good in the long run but will hurt in the short term.

We , Canada being the 2nd largest country in the world with a far less population have done very well in our growth and infrastructure which at the end of the day keeps us strong if you have not noticed.

Now if you want to argue points fine then use facts not lies , if you just want to yap to look important like Putin then go some where else. Or read , do some homework and heaven forbid actually understand what the hell you are talking about.
 

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Russia eats just fine, grows most of its kitchen vegetables, chickens millions of small farms. As for the Ukraine agra assets, they've already been ceded to the west and the Ukraine's gold has already been rescued and made comfortable in a New York vault as of last week. I don't think anything else can be done now that the important things have been protected. The people of the Ukraine should just stay home till NATO secures the streets. I wonder what they'll eat next winter?
 

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Russia eats just fine, grows most of its kitchen vegetables, chickens millions of small farms. As for the Ukraine agra assets, they've already been ceded to the west and the Ukraine's gold has already been rescued and made comfortable in a New York vault as of last week. I don't think anything else can be done now that the important things have been protected. The people of the Ukraine should just stay home till NATO secures the streets. I wonder what they'll eat next winter?
Better check your facts there sonny you seem to be in another world
 

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Here is a lesson for you on Russia the country you seem to admire so much.
Because I posted a few links that makes me admire her a lot? It isn't like I was scripting the questions and the answers.

The reason I was hired there was because they do not have the people with the knowledge to build infrastructure.
They have be free of the USSR for 20 years and they have no engineers? Typical progress for the west, hire international companies because there are no jobs back in their homeland.

As you know Russia is the largest country in the world with little or no roads , trains or very much of any kind of transportation system in place ,
No roads. How many roads does Canada build across swampland. the trick is to wait until it is frozen and then move all the supplies at that time. Would you like to move people there before the roads or after the roads. The ones after the minerals will be the ones to build the roads, until they are mined they sit there and grow in value.

why because they have been to busy taking huge profits and putting it offshore in other countries because they do not trust Putin.
That is the way international business works.

There drilling and mining is ancient at best and have had to rely heavily on USA , UK and Canadian people/companies to try and bring them to the 21st century which is very hard with all the corruption embedded in their system.
Yet production remains adequate. The west would like to sell them all their latest and greatest products at 3x the going price. Russia knows enough to let them in to get the basics working and then kick them out so they don't siphon off all the profits, like they do in every nation they operate in.

You listen to much to the yapping from Putin and do not read anything else , they are for all purposes a 3rd world country in over 75% of the country....no power no running water no roads little or no communication and in most cases no law enforcement or justice system of any kind.
That is what any place the west goes into yet their 'contravcts' that are paid in full say all those things are supposed to be installed. What gets installed is only what the corporations and banks need to get their worl done. Their shareholders deman that the people be kept as close to the poverty line as possible, if you are making things then you get more than one meal a day.

Take that and look at the enviromental policies , we will keep this simple , there are none except those that are kept by companies operating under there countries laws.
North America installs the right regulations and then the companies they are meant to regulate simply move to another country where the regulations do not exist and the country with all the regulations drops to 4th world country because the original recourses are gone and so is all the money.

Now you can be a great country but you need to do great things not just make headlines and say pretty words , in plain english you have to do it.
Russia is doing it in Crimea, that is what has got the west so pissed where they say things and spend the next few years talking about the hardships they will endure and how much it is going to cost the people and nothing ever really gets done except the looting.

Russia chose to build her military and forget everything else which is hurting them as they are very very prone to sanctions both trade and money. They have little agriculture as we have and cannot feed there people as is without trading for it . Over the years Russia has raped , killed or rendered useless a lot of lands and forest because of her policies and if you go there it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out it is not going well for them. Ukraine is the breadbasket and is very valuable to Russia which seems to get over looked here.
Trying to outspend the west also crashed the west in that she went so far into dept she can never get out of it. The Prairies were no different, the only product allowed to go east in Canada was wheat.

People in Ukraine have already seen what Russia does and do not want any part of it so going to the EU is good in the long run but will hurt in the short term.
You are basing that 1900 -1935 will repeat itself. There are UN human rights guidelines in place and are being followed by Russia, the west doesn't think any rules apply to them and their orders come from the Rothschild bankers just so you know.

We , Canada being the 2nd largest country in the world with a far less population have done very well in our growth and infrastructure which at the end of the day keeps us strong if you have not noticed.
There are very few roads in the NWT. We are a puppet of the US and we have been for a very long time, we are also a slave to GB that is why we were in WWII with no questions asked. Your freedom is an illusion that would evaporate as soon as the words 'Martial Law' were spoken. Looters, shot on sight, what do you think will happen to 'protesters'?

Now if you want to argue points fine then use facts not lies , if you just want to yap to look important like Putin then go some where else. Or read , do some homework and heaven forbid actually understand what the hell you are talking about.
... and lose a valuable resourse such as yourself, wouldn't think of it.

Witness - Ukraine: State of Chaos - YouTube

Meanwhile the same old, same old from the US side.

Proof US Staging False Flag For WW3 - YouTube
 

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And you prove what a liar you are and the ones you support are nothing but terrorists.

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-snipers-security-chief-438/
Both of you need to grow up and actually help something in this world.

You do not want to read or understand as that would take to much effort so you delude yourselves and then try and look like experts who actually understand the issues when in fact you just are 2 lost boys looking for something to yap about to feel important

And neither one of you have answered anything even remotely close to any questions but you both are quick on
taking comments and facts out of context so again sonny's just go somewhere and think about life and please do not comment anymore because you both have proven you have no clue as to what is happening.....ANYWHERE
 

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Nice try but that will not change the intent of what I meant

Please explain what you meant without all the warlike rhetoric. You are earning the title of terrorist with your belligerence. I have tried to ask you something twice now and you avoid the question. Your fecal matter is just as odoriferous as anyone else's. Try posies and patience. It gets the point across with less battle.