Olympic chat

[JLM]

Upon reviewing the Olympic medal count and ranking I've encountered a strange phenomenum. I can't figure out how many silvers equate to one gold or how many bronze equate to one silver. It almost looks like no amount of silver or bronze equals one gold. I personally think gold should equal 3, silver would equal 2 and bronze would equal 1.

Like Belarus with 6 medals ranks ahead of Canada with 15! It's Bullsh*t!

 

[talloola]

Upon reviewing the Olympic medal count and ranking I've encountered a strange phenomenum. I can't figure out how many silvers equate to one gold or how many bronze equate to one silver. It almost looks like no amount of silver or bronze equals one gold. I personally think gold should equal 3, silver would equal 2 and bronze would equal 1.

Like Belarus with 6 medals ranks ahead of Canada with 15! It's Bullsh*t!

please explain what you mean, i just checked ranking, and canada is 5th and belarus is down around 10th,
so i don't understand.

 

[Tonington]

Upon reviewing the Olympic medal count and ranking I've encountered a strange phenomenum. I can't figure out how many silvers equate to one gold or how many bronze equate to one silver. It almost looks like no amount of silver or bronze equals one gold. I personally think gold should equal 3, silver would equal 2 and bronze would equal 1.

Like Belarus with 6 medals ranks ahead of Canada with 15! It's Bullsh*t!

The ranking on the Official site breaks down the rankings by numbers of gold medals first, that's what the site defaults to. As you go down the column with countries tied in gold medals, then the next ranking is silver. And likewise then for bronze. One gold isn't worth any number of silver or bronze. The ranking just goes to the next differential when the medals of a type are tied. Right now, if we won a gold, we would jump to second in the rankings from 8th. Total medals don't influence the ranking.

 

[Kreskin]

Funny how they don't show medal ceremonies on TV anymore.

 

[talloola]

The ranking on the Official site breaks down the rankings by numbers of gold medals first, that's what the site defaults to. As you go down the column with countries tied in gold medals, then the next ranking is silver. And likewise then for bronze. One gold isn't worth any number of silver or bronze. The ranking just goes to the next differential when the medals of a type are tied. Right now, if we won a gold, we would jump to second in the rankings from 8th. Total medals don't influence the ranking.

i just looked at medal count, and placings there, i haven't looked at rankings, so now i do understand.

Funny how they don't show medal ceremonies on TV anymore.

yes, i noticed too, they do a little cheapie presentation that doesn't inlcude medals, wonder
why.

 

[spaminator]

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[coldstream]

I caught this vid on CBC last night and thought it rocked. Well done by Jamaica.



Our ladies let up a bit too much in that game after getting off to a great start - they will need to work on their mistakes and the penalties. It really could have gone either way except for some of the best goal tending I have seen so far. Rock on Team Canada! :canada:



After the Americans took the short dance, Coldstream I was gobsmacked as Tessa and Scott did so well. I also had questions about the second Russian team who had several errors but got a fantastic score. I don't know about any fixes being in but I have to say some of those scores were way off the mark.

Tessa and Scott won the ice dance competition in my mind. I didn't even bother to watch after they left the ice. They have given Canada so much and I am so very proud of them. Rock on Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir. :canada:

I knew by the way the marks were given out.. first a significant lead to Davis and White in the Short Dance.. then a world record mark for Virtue and Moir in the Free Dance immediately eclipsed by the Americans. It followed a script meant to look like it was objective.. but essentially it just looked like it was following a script meant to distract attention from the judging inconsistencies.

Historically the International Skating Union has been one of the most corrupt sports organizations on the planet.. up there with the International Cycling Union. But I think yours and talloolas advice is sound... just realize a you're watching a rigged game and enjoy the superb performances.. which really applies to both pairs.. and the other competitors as well.

Curling, Bobsled (especially 4 Man Bobsled.. which has a great rugby like culture), Women's Figure Skating, which would have to go along way to match the Dance drama and performances. and.. oh yeah.. Hockey.. that's what left for me. If it doesn't stop raining the remaining Alpine events are going to be wash outs.. at least as far a fair test of skills. goes.. the Women's GS was terrible and uncompetitive.

 

[Mowich]

Just got back from work in time to watch the snowboarding event - the conditions are horrendous rain and soft snow. Lots of crashes. I saw our Ladies take a short track Silver before I left but will have to see what we did in Bobsled. Curling and hockey are what really interest me now especially with Jen and the ladies doing so well and Brad hanging in there.

Go Canada Go!

 

[talloola]

i'm surprised that canada will be playing 'latvia' in the quarter final, as latvia defeated the swiss
this morning.

all of these 'so called' lesser teams have good goalkeeping and have been well coached for good
defensive play, so when anyone notices canada 'not' scoring a bushel of goals, it is becAuse of
that good defensive play, 'they know' that is how they can bring their games 'more' even, and
with great goalkeeping anything can happen.
so if they keep the games close, one never knows, goalies can make the difference. one goal either
way could make the difference.
canada has great defense too, so they won't allow much past them either, but their offense can
struggle against great defensive play as well, doesn't matter how talented they are, coaches can
teach good defense to players who are 'not' that gifted offensively.

if and when canadian and americans and swedes play each other, games should be 'better' balanced
offensively and defensively.

i watched norway play russia this morning, norway was very good defensively, gave the russians a
good game, pulled their goalie with 2 minutes left, then got scored on twice, thus score was 4-0,
but in reality it was only a 2-0 game.
malkin and ovetchkin have not been a force at all, have been well checked, haven't had much room.

 

[JLM]

Just got back from work in time to watch the snowboarding event - the conditions are horrendous rain and soft snow. Lots of crashes. I saw our Ladies take a short track Silver before I left but will have to see what we did in Bobsled. Curling and hockey are what really interest me now especially with Jen and the ladies doing so well and Brad hanging in there.

Go Canada Go!

I kind of thought Putin would have been wise to hold the Olympics in Siberia, I'd thought of dropping him a line and advising him to do so, but I doubt he would have listened. Arrogant bastard!

 

[Mowich]

I kind of thought Putin would have been wise to hold the Olympics in Siberia, I'd thought of dropping him a line and advising him to do so, but I doubt he would have listened. Arrogant bastard!

Watched a documentary about how Sochi got the Olympics, JLM. It was Sochi from the beginning for Vlad. It is however, the decision of the IOC as to which country wins the right to host the Games - so I put this on their doorstep too. From the very beginning, they knew the weather would play a factor yet they awarded Russia the Games anyway. What really gets me steamed is the fact that it is our athletes - all athletes who are really paying the price. Did you see how bad the conditions were out there today. Not a single outdoor event that wasn't affected by bad weather - save for Bobsled which is held undercover. Fog, rain, soft snow - the Nordic Combined Event looked like they were skiing through a blizzard at times. At times the athletes in snowboarding simply disappeared into the fog and rain emerging in the midst of some complicated jump.

I have so much admiration for every single Olympian who competed today. Good on you all.

 

[JLM]

Watched a documentary about how Sochi got the Olympics, JLM. It was Sochi from the beginning for Vlad. It is however, the decision of the IOC as to which country wins the right to host the Games - so I put this on their doorstep too. From the very beginning, they knew the weather would play a factor yet they awarded Russia the Games anyway. What really gets me steamed is the fact that it is our athletes - all athletes who are really paying the price. Did you see how bad the conditions were out there today. Not a single outdoor event that wasn't affected by bad weather - save for Bobsled which is held undercover. Fog, rain, soft snow - the Nordic Combined Event looked like they were skiing through a blizzard at times. At times the athletes in snowboarding simply disappeared into the fog and rain emerging in the midst of some complicated jump.

I have so much admiration for every single Olympian who competed today. Good on you all.

Sounds like a typical organization, too powerful and too arrogant.

 

[Mowich]

i'm surprised that canada will be playing 'latvia' in the quarter final, as latvia defeated the swiss
this morning.

all of these 'so called' lesser teams have good goalkeeping and have been well coached for good
defensive play, so when anyone notices canada 'not' scoring a bushel of goals, it is becAuse of
that good defensive play, 'they know' that is how they can bring their games 'more' even, and
with great goalkeeping anything can happen.
so if they keep the games close, one never knows, goalies can make the difference. one goal either
way could make the difference.
canada has great defense too, so they won't allow much past them either, but their offense can
struggle against great defensive play as well, doesn't matter how talented they are, coaches can
teach good defense to players who are 'not' that gifted offensively.

if and when canadian and americans and swedes play each other, games should be 'better' balanced
offensively and defensively.

i watched norway play russia this morning, norway was very good defensively, gave the russians a
good game, pulled their goalie with 2 minutes left, then got scored on twice, thus score was 4-0,
but in reality it was only a 2-0 game.
malkin and ovetchkin have not been a force at all, have been well checked, haven't had much room.

Dead on about the low scores and the goalkeeping, talloola especially the latter where it has played a big part in a lot of the games I've watched. There are some outstanding European goalies and I am quite sure both our Men's and Women's Teams are going to be tested to their limit. I can only hope they've learned the lessons of playing on big ice.

GO CANADA! :canada:

 

[talloola]

and we must remember there are lots of players all over the olympics who haven't played on big ice for
many years, as they are in the nhl, including lots of goalies., who have to be aware of all that ice
behind and beside them, and out in front of them the zone is smaller.

 

[Mowich]

and we must remember there are lots of players all over the olympics who haven't played on big ice for
many years, as they are in the nhl, including lots of goalies., who have to be aware of all that ice
behind and beside them, and out in front of them the zone is smaller.

and do all that while remembering that Olympic hockey has its own set of rules that include things like no goal if a player is in the crease and the one about the net not having to be all the way off to nullify a goal - like the one in the USA/Russia game. Little things like that can make a big difference in a game.

 

[JLM]

Is it just my imagination or a dream or did I catch a fragment of Bettman on the news saying N.H.L. players may not be involved in any future Olympics? Would that be a good or bad thing?

 

[gopher]

Is it just my imagination or a dream or did I catch a fragment of Bettman on the news saying N.H.L. players may not be involved in any future Olympics? Would that be a good or bad thing?

Bad. It won't be any fun if Russia can have KHL players and other Euro countries having their pros while Canada & USA have only amateurs and minor leaguers.

 

[JLM]

Bad. It won't be any fun if Russia can have KHL players and other Euro countries having their pros while Canada & USA have only amateurs and minor leaguers.

I agree but there's one other aspect. N.H.L. season is pretty long and intense with 82 games and a possibility of 110 games. For the players that go to the Olympics, it's pretty exhausting, for the ones that don't it has to be an interruption of their momentum. I don't know what the answer is other than I think the N.H.L. commitment has to take precedence.

 

[talloola]

I agree but there's one other aspect. N.H.L. season is pretty long and intense with 82 games and a possibility of 110 games. For the players that go to the Olympics, it's pretty exhausting, for the ones that don't it has to be an interruption of their momentum. I don't know what the answer is other than I think the N.H.L. commitment has to take precedence.

the reason bettman/nhl are considering 'not' allowing nhl in olympics in the future has nothing to do with
the 'care' of the players, but everything to do with money. the nhl loses millions during that break,
and each g.m. and owner has to scramble during that time because there is no profits from their nhl teams.
the ioc has hundreds of millions, (like a big corporation) and the nhl want financial support from the
ioc to make up for that big loss of income.
so, look for some sort of negotiations, sort of like the nhl/players union lock out to happen after this
olympics, leading up to the next olympics, in which time the nhl will hold off till they are satisfied with
a financial agreement.
that is the way i understand this situation.
before, canada and the u.s. was allowed to play in the olympics, only amateurs could
participate, while all the rest of the europeans/russians, etc. looked
after their players financially, they were pros in reality, but put forward
as amateurs, it was a farce.
i can't see that happening, it would be a huge leap backward, so i'm not
sure what will happen if nhl do not go, maybe it would jump to the lower
leagues of pros, or ex nhl pros playing in the khl, or ahl players, or a gathering of all of them to make up a team, don't know.

 

[JLM]

the reason bettman/nhl are considering 'not' allowing nhl in olympics in the future has nothing to do with
the 'care' of the players, but everything to do with money. the nhl loses millions during that break,
and each g.m. and owner has to scramble during that time because there is no profits from their nhl teams.
the ioc has hundreds of millions, (like a big corporation) and the nhl want financial support from the
ioc to make up for that big loss of income.
so, look for some sort of negotiations, sort of like the nhl/players union lock out to happen after this
olympics, leading up to the next olympics, in which time the nhl will hold off till they are satisfied with
a financial agreement.
that is the way i understand this situation.
before, the nhl was allowed to play in the olympics, only amateurs could
participate, while all the rest of the europeans/russians, etc. looked
after their players financially, they were pros in reality, but put forward
as amateurs, it was a farce.
i can't see that happening, it would be a huge leap backward, so i'm not
sure what will happen if nhl do not go, maybe it would jump to the lower
leagues of pros, or ex nhl pros playing in the khl, or ahl players, or a gathering of all of them to make up a team, don't know.

Makes sense to me, Talloola!