Scathing UN report demands Vatican action on abuse

karrie

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I think it depends on the circumstance.

According to what you posted, it wouldn't. suspicion, you're gone. Which, sorry, but that would pretty much mean any male priest is out. Because someone, somewhere, will always find suspicion.
 

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Posting a link to google isn't convincing anyone.

I'm not your google bitch

Sounds like a Protestant plot and ploy.

As we all know, the protestant church has never had an allegation of inappropriate contact with a child leveled against them

It's been known to happen to teachers. Come to think of it there were people that lost their jobs because of being accused of participating in the Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver.

Wonder when the UN is going to demand that all teacher's unions fire and prosecute any member that is alleged or accused of sexual contact with a student.

That risk can cost millions. And you would be up in arms if they were fired based up s

Seeing how it's the UN demanding this action, any chance of suing them for the wrongful dismissal?
 

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I wonder how many Catholics actually conform to the rules of the RCC. I've heard quite a few that don't even go to church except on Xmas and Easter. Some go fairly regularly but don't follow all the rules. And even some like wifey, are still Catholic in nomine tantum, like wifey, she was an Agnostic Catholic for about 25 years. lol
 

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I wonder how many Catholics actually conform to the rules of the RCC. I've heard quite a few that don't even go to church except on Xmas and Easter. Some go fairly regularly but don't follow all the rules. And even some like wifey, are still Catholic in nomine tantum, like wifey, she was an Agnostic Catholic for about 25 years. lol

Is Spain, Catholic?
Was the Inquistion, Spanish?

Today over three-quarters of Spaniards self identify as Catholics; but only 39% have a firm belief in God.
Religion is social, cultural, and traditional, not necessarily orthodox in belief.

That is the Canadian perspective as well.
 

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They have a case.

Take contraception, ......, please. It is not as though 98% of Catholics disregard that "suggestion".

They have no case at all- all they have is opinion - Church doctrine - that does not violate any laws and it is not a crime against humanity that I am aware of.
 

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True. Legally there is no law outlining crimes against reason and intelligence that I'm aware of. Otherwise Blackl .... ahhh, forget it. lol

As I had mentioned the report also appears to be an attack on Church Doctrine.
So if we find a report on Rights of the Child to include such things, wonder how they will do with the expected report on Islam.
 

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According to what you posted, it wouldn't. suspicion, you're gone. Which, sorry, but that would pretty much mean any male priest is out. Because someone, somewhere, will always find suspicion.

That's a slippery slope argument.

All I'm posting is the article about the recommendations, and if you want quibble about the word 'suspect' then you are free to do so. However, any prudent and reasonable person reading about this would not make the hasty leap in logic to assume a priest would be thrown out simply on heresay.

I'm pretty sure an organization like the Christian consulate is aware of the consequences of making such a decision without some kind of empirical basis so I highly doubt they take this issue lightly.

And if what they've cut so far still isn't good enough, then get ready for even more fireworks.



The Vatican defrocked 260 priests for the sexual abuse of children in 2011 and 124 more in 2012 after the scandal exploded in Europe and beyond and bishops forwarded hundreds of cases to the Vatican, according to statistics compiled by The Associated Press.

The numbers were confirmed by the Vatican on Friday, and were based on statistics published in its annual reference books. Two Vatican officials had the statistics in hand but never cited them when they defended the church’s handling of sexual abuse cases before a United Nations panel in Geneva on Thursday.

Experts on sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church say that the numbers represent a spike from previous years, but are not surprising given how the scandal has unfolded in a global organization with more than 412,000 priests.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/01/1...mancatholicchurchsexabusecases&_r=1&referrer=
 
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captain morgan

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Today over three-quarters of Spaniards self identify as Catholics; but only 39% have a firm belief in God.
Religion is social, cultural, and traditional, not necessarily orthodox in belief.

That is the Canadian perspective as well.

Practicing vs non-practicing.

Very same applies to all faiths.

As I had mentioned the report also appears to be an attack on Church Doctrine.
So if we find a report on Rights of the Child to include such things, wonder how they will do with the expected report on Islam.

Why limit the UN's judgement to religion? Teachers, doctors, all stripe of spirituality, tribalism, gvt officials, et al, etc, have many examples of wrongdoing.

Makes you wonder why the UN doesn't speak-out on these grievous realities

What does one get with a roomful of priests and UN officials left alone for ten minutes?

You get the UN begging for money and for whatever scraps they can muster
 

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Practicing vs non-practicing.

Very same applies to all faiths.

Practising versus non-practising is too simplistic. In the September 15th, 2013, National Post, a poll of Canadians indicated only "53% of respondents said they believe in God. (Interestingly, 28% of those identified as Protestants, 33% of Catholics, and 23% of those who attend weekly religious services do not."
 

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Practising versus non-practising is too simplistic. In the September 15th, 2013, National Post, a poll of Canadians indicated only "53% of respondents said they believe in God. (Interestingly, 28% of those identified as Protestants, 33% of Catholics, and 23% of those who attend weekly religious services do not."

Simplicity would go a very long way for a group like the UN that seeks to pigeon-hole en entire demographic.

Fact is, I'd wager that you'd see similar results if asking that same poll question to Hindus, Muslims, Bhuddists, Marxists (especially them), etc, etc.

.. And in getting back to the UN as the focal point here; is their mandate targeting at protecting children exclusive to Catholic children? Are the youth of all of the other aforementioned faiths not considered worthy of protection? How about those individuals that were abused via the teaching profession, at the hands of a psychiatrist or perhaps at summer camp?

Sure makes you wonder about the sincerity of this self-proclaimed global entity that is hell-bent to save the world by ignoring all of the realities.
 

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Just because the UN hasn't cracked down on every single possibility of pedobears, doesn't mean they have some tinfoil agenda. It just goes to show that the most prominent conduit for this type of behaviour are older males who don't have access to the fairer gender.