Rebirth Through Baptism

[darkbeaver]

Only a despot would demand worship. I do not worship despots. I think that a healthy respect and admiration for and of nature is plenty of homage to whoever or whatever allows us the priviledge of living here in the garden.

But our father commands worship rightfully with actual substantial warm benevolent touching of his magnificent healing radiant life giving rays of light. The Sun would never think you would refuse it's love, he knows the code cuz he wrote it. The Sun/Son Ra I mean Jesus loves gardening, hangs around in them a lot.

I suppose you could refuse to worship God. Try it for a while and let us know what happened.

 

[Cliffy]

But our father commands worship rightfully with actual substantial warm benevolent touching of his magnificent healing radiant life giving rays of light. The Sun would never think you would refuse it's love, he knows the code cuz he wrote it. The Sun/Son Ra I mean Jesus loves gardening, hangs around in them a lot.

I suppose you could refuse to worship God. Try it for a while and let us know what happened.

Did your Earthly father demand worship of you? Did your mother? Why would any other demand worship of you? Any being that stands before me and demands me to worship it will receive a good swift kick where it hurts.

 

[L Gilbert]

I suppose you could refuse to worship God. Try it for a while and let us know what happened.

Nothing that can be definitively and demonstrably attributable to a god so far.

 

[darkbeaver]

Did your Earthly father demand worship of you? Did your mother? Why would any other demand worship of you? Any being that stands before me and demands me to worship it will receive a good swift kick where it hurts.

But I said command not demand. Honour thy parents is the Law. Kick the Sun? I begin to understand the trouble Jesus had spreading the word.

Nothing that can be definitively and demonstrably attributable to a god so far.

Well my God, the Sun, grows my food grows my shelter and gave me fire and light, if there's some other power around with God like attributes like that, I never heard of him/her.

 

[Cliffy]

But I said command not demand. Honour thy parents is the Law. Kick the Sun? I begin to understand the trouble Jesus had spreading the word.

My father demanded that I respect him because he brought me into the world (false assumption on his part - my mother did). I said respect is earned. I respect the sun and the limitations of the flesh because of a severe sun burn I got snorkeling on the west coast of Mexico.

 

[L Gilbert]

But I said command not demand. Honour thy parents is the Law. Kick the Sun? I begin to understand the trouble Jesus had spreading the word.

Well my God, the Sun, grows my food grows my shelter and gave me fire and light, if there's some other power around with God like attributes like that, I never heard of him/her.

It doesn't sound as if you've queried a Christian or a Moslem about gods n gremlins. I am sure they could set you straight on gods n stuff like that. lol

 

[darkbeaver]

My father demanded that I respect him because he brought me into the world (false assumption on his part - my mother did). I said respect is earned. I respect the sun and the limitations of the flesh because of a severe sun burn I got snorkeling on the west coast of Mexico.

You're not suggesting to be of virgin birth are you? The west coast of Mexico was made by God as well and snorkels.

It doesn't sound as if you've queried a Christian or a Moslem about gods n gremlins. I am sure they could set you straight on gods n stuff like that. lol

If their not a couple of thousand years old and dead I don't consult them at all.

 

[cj44]

No, but you are talking through a pin hole in your mouth. Thanks for proving beyond any doubt that intelligent conversation with you is impossible, and any further attempts would be worthless. I tried to be reasonable and polite but you sir, are incapable of respecting anything but you own narrow view point. I once had a born againer get in my face and yell at me, "But do you know Geezuz?" to which I replied, "Yes, as a matter of fact we are good friends and he tells me that he is really pissed off at self righteous clowns like you." I pray someday the spirit will take your blinders off.

Cliffy, It seems we have reached an impasse. I would like to see a discussion on spiritual darkness as Motar suggested. Perhaps you are up to initiating such a conversation.
I do hope your anger passes. After all, was it not I that offered to deliver you a ham via drone?

 

[darkbeaver]

Spiritual darkness would be much like ignorance of the spiritual awareness and practice of those preceeding the Sun God Jesus. When you see a halo hovering over heads in old art , that Halo is the Sun, Sun Son Fire in the Head. There has never been a more spiritually darker time than now and that is caused by widespread religious ignorance among the religious in and most notable in the developed world. We have I Phones who needs spirit?

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffy, It seems we have reached an impasse. I would like to see a discussion on spiritual darkness as Motar suggested. Perhaps you are up to initiating such a conversation.
I do hope your anger passes. After all, was it not I that offered to deliver you a ham via drone?

I don't get angry. That would be pointless. But I have had this conversation with countless born again literalists and they all basically end right about at this point of impasse. I have no problem with what anybody believes but I have a low tolerance threshold for people who think they have the only handle on the truth and everybody else needs to be saved, in the name of the lord, amen. It is disrespectful, rude and arrogant. Jesus taught tolerance.

I used to ride with the BC Christian Riders motorcycle club, partied with them, ate and even prayed with them and not once did any of them say I was in need of salvation. And they knew, at the time, I was deeply involved with native spirituality. I know that I do not need your brand of salvation and all I've asked is your respect for the path I am on and any other whose path differs from yours. The journey we are on is our salvation.

 

[Motar]

Jesus taught tolerance.

I would be interested in a discussion concerning Christian tolerance, Cliffy. Would you be willing to get us started with an OP in a new thread?