no of course but they are a part of our democratic process here, hard to get rid of, hard to change...but a good indicator that we need to explore other options and look for change
Ford to run in October.
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Seeing that I'm a tax-n'-axe kinda guy myself, such a combination could attract me at any level of government.
interesting; politicians, should they be given the benefit of the doubt, or should they need to prove they are worthy of our trust
That's why I said I hope people don't re-elect him without showing some credentials on the changed front. i just meant I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt only to the degree that he's prepared to prove he's changed. But he still has to take the next step beyond that. He hasn't shown that so far, though Otcober is still a while away.
People can change, but it must be a conscious decision through effort and outside help.
So there is no such thing as recovered alcoholics or recovered drug addicts in your mind. They are still the same irresponsible people they were when they were in the bottle or on the drugs.
Obviously by your continuing defense of him you believe it to be Ford not just "possibly Ford". I have no investment in his success or his failure. However, I'll tell you right now...he is a huge gamble due to his personal problems. I know you keep advocating for him as though you have a personal stake in this. It's like you want to believe in him and have closed your eyes to his failures. I do not base my vote on emotion but rather what has been done. I do not like how he has handled himself. Although I like some of the things he has done in the past, I would not vote for someone who has displayed himself in the manner in which he has unless he was cleaned up.
Political parties are not meaningless or people wouldn't pick one and stick with it. Political parties very much reflect what we hold as valuable whether that be social conscience or fiscal responsibility.
Alcoholism is not necessarily due to a sense of irresponsibility. But yes, I would say non-drinking alcoholics are still the same person. I don't think people change.
More specifically, I don't think the clean and sober Ford has changed either. That may be a good or bad thing, depending on what you thought of him to start with, I suppose.
omg, you are too funnythe last time ford ran, he nearly killed a councillor. :shock:
yes he did, although he did stop to pick her up
I'm glad to say that, once again, you're wrong. I know both/ Recovered alcoholics and recovered drug addicts, and they are NOT the same people.
and yes, substance abuse and addiction is all about irresponsibility.
That is your opinion. I don't share it. I know recovered addicts too, and they are the same people, in my opinion. The chemicals in their brains have changed, which may affect their behaviour. Or perhaps there is some brain damage. But other than that, pretty much the same people. I know others who have undergone religious conversions. They haven't changed either, in my opinion.
People don't change.
I don't think Ford has changed.
That is a remarkably depressing statement. So it's therefore impossible for anyone to ever improve themselves in any manner? No one can ever be rehabilitated? The moment you make a mistake, an error, go down the wrong path, you're screwed for the rest of your life?
Change has to be at least a possibility otherwise what the hell is the point in even trying?
That's not the half of it. I don't believe in free will either, so even when people do change, it's got nothing to do with a will to change. :lol: from a scientific and epistemological perspective, free will is on very thin ice these days.
Anyways, with respect to Ford, the point is that if you liked him before you should probably still like him despite the recent furor. And if you didn't like him before, you shouldn't like him now for the same reasons.
He doesn't seem good at controlling his compulsions. On the other hand I don't think, based on what I;'ve seen, that he is a crack addict or an alcoholic.
the last time ford ran, he nearly killed a councillor. :shock:
How the ff could she have missed seeing him
Rob Ford Steam Roller Slow Motion - YouTube
Now some fun
