When will Isreal bomb Iran?
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Correct- and the first step is all it is. The US P+5 will not recognize Iran's demand that they have a right to enrich.
Also intrusive measures to monitor- including fast access to sites - to many centrifuges - and that thing about the facility buried in the mountain- I figure they will want that closed.
Have you read what the details are?
Most of what is in your post has been agreed to. Iran can enrich to 3% for power plant usage and 20% for medical usage has been changed. The older centrifuges stay and the newer (faster rather than bomb grade) will be parked. Hers is a list .
The way it will turn out is the way it went with Syria getting rid of chemicals and from proposal to exporting the chlorine to nations that still use that for water treatment plants. What was it about 2 weeks rather than the 6 months that the UN and Syria were giving it to just begin. Iran has to flip a few electric switches and she is in compliance and the EU has a line to more oil at a reasonable price. They didn't impose those sanctions they went along with the US and she was motivated by events that only had to do with 1979. That will also be why any international court cases will go to Iran.
How it turns out in actuality will be pretty apparent and probably a lot sooner that even 1 full year. Israel has nothing to fear, she can say she was under pressure from the US to be the belligerent in the area and it was a campaign that is not fully dissociated from WWII as far as grabbing territory. Some in the US wanted to go to Moscow, instead it turned into a covert op and the mid-east oilfields were worth more that eliminating the USSR.
How it turns out in actuality will be pretty apparent and probably a lot sooner that even 1 full year. Israel has nothing to fear, she can say she was under pressure from the US to be the belligerent in the area and it was a campaign that is not fully dissociated from WWII as far as grabbing territory. Some in the US wanted to go to Moscow, instead it turned into a covert op and the mid-east oilfields were worth more that eliminating the USSR.
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Iran is also in a very difficult position- Economy is tatters- rampant unemployment- shortages of everything- and the once Iranian middle class is no more.
That and a young, well educated, well informed younger population. You know, the ones that overthrow Govts.
Well Iran has enough reason to agree to a reasonable solution.
That's exactly what the 33 years of US intervention was designed to do, no watch it happen to all of North America. (without Iran having any influence in it)
Like the protestors that stopped the Vietnam war?
You are talking about the US installed Shaw and the dreaded SAVAK that was brutal to the 'commoners', they should have never made it into power, it certainly wasn't the will of the people.
Unlike the US and European Governments Iran has full intentions of sticking to the agreement, Israel and the US are deep in talk about how to undo this and still take over Iran's oil for themselves.
Really, is that the Schools of America version?
School of Americas
Founded by the United States in 1946, the SOA was initially located in Panama, but in 1984 it was kicked out under the terms of the Panama Canal Treaty and moved to the army base at Fort Benning, Georgia. Then-President of Panama Jorge Illueca called it "the biggest base for de-stabilization in Latin America," and a major Panamanian newspaper dubbed it " The School of Assassins."
Today, SOA instructors and students are recruited from the cream of the Latin American military establishment. The School trains 700-2,000 soldiers a year, and since its inception in 1946, more than 60,000 military personnel have graduated from the SOA.
If the SOA concentrated its training on protecting country borders from foreign aggression or safeguarding citizens from invasion by outside enemies, it would be considered an exemplary institution, worth the cost of American tax dollars and US prestige. But, the SOA has very different goals. Its curriculum includes courses in psychological warfare, counterinsurgency, interrogation techniques, and infantry and commando tactics. Presented with the most sophisticated and up-to-date techniques by the US Army's best instructors, these courses teach military officers and soldiers of Third World countries to subvert the truth, to muzzle union leaders, activist clergy, and journalists, and to make war on their own people. It prepares them to subdue the voices of dissent and to make protesters submit. It instructs them in techniques of marginalizing the poor, the hungry, and the dispossessed. It tells them how to stamp out freedom and terrorize their own citizens. It trains them to destroy the hope of democracy.
The School of the Americas (SOA) has been given other names -- "School for Dictators", "School of Assassins", and "Nursery of Death Squads". And, countries with the worst human rights records send the most soldiers to the School.
Countries / Graduates (since 1946)
Argentina / 931
Bolivia / 4,049
Brazil / 355
Chile / 2,405
Colombia / 8,679
Costa Rica / 2,376
Dominican Republic / 2,330
Ecuador / 2,356
El Salvador / 6,776
Guatemala / 1,676
Honduras / 3,691
Nicaragua / 4,693
Panama / 4,235
Paraguay / 1,084
Peru / 3,997
Uruguay / 931
Venezuela / 3,250
How many Iranians graduated from the SOA?
Oh, right. None. And how many Israelis?
So the relevance of this is. . .?
Oh, right. None. And how many Israelis?
So the relevance of this is. . .?
Some things to remember.
1 when making a deal with savages always remember they are savages.
2 Savages do not perform well in societal situations. The form large crowds
and strom embassies and other institutional buildings
3 Savages behave like people in the twelfth century, even though they now
have education and loads of money.
4 Remember we the west had the oil underground for decades and chose to
fuel the wealth of the savages and now we wonder why they are spending
their wealth to spread savagery.
5 Now we need our own oil and to be self sufficient so we can fuel military
trucks to go fight the savages we made rich.
6 We can tally up all the reasons we did what we did but the truth is we equipped
trained and financially surrendered to savages we are going to have a fight with.
7 The only answer of course is, to sit down with savages and make a deal knowing
they don't care about giving their word because they are little more than savages.
So how long will it take before we decide we can't make a deal with savages.
8 When we determine we can't is when Israel will bomb Iran in an forceful act to
curtail savages. This is where we came in isn't it?
1 when making a deal with savages always remember they are savages.
2 Savages do not perform well in societal situations. The form large crowds
and strom embassies and other institutional buildings
3 Savages behave like people in the twelfth century, even though they now
have education and loads of money.
4 Remember we the west had the oil underground for decades and chose to
fuel the wealth of the savages and now we wonder why they are spending
their wealth to spread savagery.
5 Now we need our own oil and to be self sufficient so we can fuel military
trucks to go fight the savages we made rich.
6 We can tally up all the reasons we did what we did but the truth is we equipped
trained and financially surrendered to savages we are going to have a fight with.
7 The only answer of course is, to sit down with savages and make a deal knowing
they don't care about giving their word because they are little more than savages.
So how long will it take before we decide we can't make a deal with savages.
8 When we determine we can't is when Israel will bomb Iran in an forceful act to
curtail savages. This is where we came in isn't it?
Savages burn olive trees and run concentration camps like GAZA. The savagery of the Israelis is documented for all time in blood. Israel cannot survive hostilities with Iran even if it were to be helped by the NATO mob, which it still may be, but that depends purely on the depth of corruption and evil that the west has sunk to. Helping Israel again would be the greatest crime against humanity.
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Iran would have had lots of the, after all the SAVAK was CIA trained.
Israel are the instructors.
(in part)
Outside the law
The AUC paramilitaries are a fighting force that originally grew out of killers hired to protect drug-running operations and large landowners. They were organised into a cohesive force by Castao in 1997. It exists outside the law but often coordinates its actions with the Colombian military, in a way similar to the relationship of the Lebanese Phalange to the Israeli army throughout the 1980s and 1990s.
According to a 1989 Colombian Secret Police intelligence report, apart from training Carlos Castao in 1983, Israeli trainers arrived in Colombia in 1987 to train him and other paramilitaries who would later make up the AUC.
Fifty of the paramilitaries' "best" students were then sent on scholarships to Israel for further training according to a Colombian police intelligence report, and the AUC became the most prominent paramilitary force in the hemisphere, with some 10,000-12,000 men in arms.
The Colombian AUC paramilitaries are always in need of arms, and it should come as no surprise that some of their major suppliers are Israeli. Israeli arms dealers have long had a presence in next-door Panama and especially in Guatemala.
In May of last year, GIRSA, an Israeli company associated with the Israeli Defence Forces and based in Guatemala was able to buy 3000 Kalashnikov assault rifles and 2.5 million rounds of ammunition that were then handed over to AUC paramilitaries in Colombia.
Links with the continent
Israel's military relations with right-wing groups and regimes spans Latin America from Mexico to the southernmost tip of Chile, starting just a few years after the Israeli state came into existence.
Since then, the list of countries Israel has supplied, trained and advised includes Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru and Venezuela.
But it isn't only the sales of planes, guns and weapons system deals that characterises the Israeli presence in Latin America.
Where Israel has excelled is in advising, training and running intelligence and counter-insurgency operations in the Latin American "dirty war" civil conflicts of Argentina, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, and now Colombia.
In the case of the Salvadoran conflict - a civil war between the right-wing landowning class supported by a particularly violent military pitted against left-wing popular organisations - the Israelis were present from the beginning. Besides arms sales, they helped train ANSESAL, the secret police who were later to form the framework of the infamous death squads that would kill tens of thousands of mostly civilian activists.
From 1975 to 1979, 83% of El Salvador's military imports came from Israel, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. By 1981, many of those in the civilian popular political movements who had survived the death squads headed for the hills to become guerrillas.
Israel's Latin American trail of terror by Jeremy Bigwood
Israel are the instructors.
(in part)
Outside the law
The AUC paramilitaries are a fighting force that originally grew out of killers hired to protect drug-running operations and large landowners. They were organised into a cohesive force by Castao in 1997. It exists outside the law but often coordinates its actions with the Colombian military, in a way similar to the relationship of the Lebanese Phalange to the Israeli army throughout the 1980s and 1990s.
According to a 1989 Colombian Secret Police intelligence report, apart from training Carlos Castao in 1983, Israeli trainers arrived in Colombia in 1987 to train him and other paramilitaries who would later make up the AUC.
Fifty of the paramilitaries' "best" students were then sent on scholarships to Israel for further training according to a Colombian police intelligence report, and the AUC became the most prominent paramilitary force in the hemisphere, with some 10,000-12,000 men in arms.
The Colombian AUC paramilitaries are always in need of arms, and it should come as no surprise that some of their major suppliers are Israeli. Israeli arms dealers have long had a presence in next-door Panama and especially in Guatemala.
In May of last year, GIRSA, an Israeli company associated with the Israeli Defence Forces and based in Guatemala was able to buy 3000 Kalashnikov assault rifles and 2.5 million rounds of ammunition that were then handed over to AUC paramilitaries in Colombia.
Links with the continent
Israel's military relations with right-wing groups and regimes spans Latin America from Mexico to the southernmost tip of Chile, starting just a few years after the Israeli state came into existence.
Since then, the list of countries Israel has supplied, trained and advised includes Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru and Venezuela.
But it isn't only the sales of planes, guns and weapons system deals that characterises the Israeli presence in Latin America.
Where Israel has excelled is in advising, training and running intelligence and counter-insurgency operations in the Latin American "dirty war" civil conflicts of Argentina, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, and now Colombia.
In the case of the Salvadoran conflict - a civil war between the right-wing landowning class supported by a particularly violent military pitted against left-wing popular organisations - the Israelis were present from the beginning. Besides arms sales, they helped train ANSESAL, the secret police who were later to form the framework of the infamous death squads that would kill tens of thousands of mostly civilian activists.
From 1975 to 1979, 83% of El Salvador's military imports came from Israel, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. By 1981, many of those in the civilian popular political movements who had survived the death squads headed for the hills to become guerrillas.
Israel's Latin American trail of terror by Jeremy Bigwood
Aha! Now we know where/how you make up all those headlines!
As soon as they get the money to pay for it from Washington, DC.
That would be about $1.84CND.
Israel will be just fine, what has changed is not that she is in more danger it means the ones around her are in less danger.
Israel will be just fine, what has changed is not that she is in more danger it means the ones around her are in less danger.
Funny how we all chose sides in a family feud. Yes the Israelis and the Arabs
are in fact cousins both claim the father of their nation is Abraham that makes
them related.
are in fact cousins both claim the father of their nation is Abraham that makes
them related.
Good thing, too.
By the way, Chamberlain's been dead for quite a spell now. Maybe the present tense is a little dated.