George W. Bush on Leno
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The fact is you can't judge the true impact until it actually comes into effect for real.
I still think it is pretty tough to claim that people voted some Dems out of office in 2010, but in 2012 nobody had any idea what they were getting into so it was not an issue.
Laws are changed all the time. This very program is in place because the government changed the law. I don't get what your point is.
They are working to maximize their profits within the constraints put forward by the government. I think it would be easier to just cut that step out.
The fact is that you guys are on the hook either way. Repealing the ACA doesn't change that.
The costs in the US are astronomical for fairly poor overall results.
Lol, thanks. I do agree that some people on this forum are less than amiable.
I mean you absolutely no personal offense. In some ways I admire your earnestness. However, my prior comment was gently dismissive.
Can you tell me the difference between the observation of death and the experience of death?
He either doesn't get that or is too blinded to really believe it is going that bad.
The President lied and made it irrelevant.
"If you like your plan... you can keep it."
No worries.
This is another entitlement. How is Welfare reform going? Corporate subsidies?
So they all simply go out of business? That is not bright.
Sure it does... it will cost more. Millions are finding that out now. Come January they will owe more.
You're Michael Moore fan I gather.
Nope. They have started the open enrollment phase. The actual healthcare plans don't actually come into effect until next year.
Healthcare is more than just signing up for a plan.
Ruff... we've moved beyond that. Everyone knows that the sign up is a disaster... but the real pain is becoming realized of what people are really having to pay.
The real pain is people being informed by the millions that they won't be keeping the plans they had and will be forced to the exchanges. After being lied to over and over.
They now realize that in January they will be poorer.
THAT is Obamacare.
That statement certainly is coming back to haunt him, but anyone who has followed American politics knows that the ACA certainly was not irrelevant to the last few elections.
Healthcare is already an entitlement in the US. There is a massive bureaucracy in place to try to provide healthcare to people who cannot afford it and private companies can't turn people away who are in urgent need of care.
Haha, in in your very last sentence you complained about corporate subsidies!
Again, we need to look at how this all works out on the whole. Providing more people with more coverage is obviously going to have a higher upfront cost, but the idea is to get the total expenditure down.
Na, I really really dislike that man.
I do enjoy stats though, which paint a pretty grim picture of the US healthcare system. Obviously you can get some of the best care in the world in the US, if you can afford it, but the overall picture is a country that spends an insane amount of healthcare and stacks up quite poorly in a number of key health indicators.
You and CDNBear clearly have not moved on from that....
Yeah, gubmints are always more efficient than private businesses; everyone knows that.
Nope, just calling it like I see it. You were wrong and just, well, simply ignored it and moved on, lol.
Good call, you were looking foolish anyways.
There is a very very mixed history of giving private companies contracts that involve government mandates.
If it was a totally free market, it would be a different story, but healthcare simply isn't that, especially under the ACA.
Maybe you can be more specific about what I was wrong about or avoided?
LOL, really? I have to hold your hand?
Why is it between the three of us, only you have a problem keeping up?
Oh I can, I just happen to think you're playing games now.
It's either that, or I've given you far to much credit. Which is it?