Is the Canadian identity defined as "not being American"?

Chinook

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Now that I have been living abroad for a while I am beginning to ponder just what the Canadian identity really is. As I think back on things a lot of what I learned as a youth about the Canadian experience had to do with the struggle to have a separate identity from the US.

What do you think? Are Canadians primarily defined by the desire not to be American?

This starts all the way back at the founding of Canada. Confederation of the British colonies was motivated primarily by a desire to avoid being annexed by the US. The transcontinental railroad and the settling of the prairies were motivated by a desire not to lose territory to the US.

Heck, many of the biggest Canadian heroes gained their fame for defying the US. Laura Secord warned the troops that the Americans were coming (with her likeness prominently displayed on confections to this day). Statues were made to General Brock all over Ontario for his role in sticking it to the American troops attempting to invade (also during the war of 1812).

In fact, Canadians seem to be obsessed with the fear of American encroachment. I was taught all about the waves of American invaders such as the Huntsmen, Fenians and even Yankee Whiskey traders in Montana setting up trading forts in Southern Alberta.

We learned about the San Juan Pig Wars that left the US with control of the northwest.

The Americans "stole" Oregon. The Americans "stole" the Alaskan panhandle. The Americans "stole" (and continue to "steal") Canadian fish.

In the end, the only thing that ultimately seemed to matter was keeping the Americans out. As a kid I wasn't exactly sure what I was as a Canadian but I was damn thankful I wasn't "American".

Now that I have been living in the US for years I am wondering what the big deal was all about. I am NOT saying Canada should become the 51st state, I just don't understand why Canadians spend so much time just trying to "not be American". Ok, Benedict Arnold tried to conquer Quebec in 1775. Who cares? It was a long time ago. Americans have no interest in schlepping up to the plains of Abraham anymore.

Whenever I am back in Canada visiting friends everyone seems to want to try and convince me why America is so terrible and scary. This obsession with the US just baffles me.

The one group in Canada that doesn't seem to have this identity problem is the Quebecois. They are different and they know it which seems to give them a kind of confidence lacking elsewhere in Canada. Of course, the Quebecois seem to have a chip on their shoulders when relating to other Canadians that doesn't seem to exist when interacting with Americans, but that's a whole other story...

English Canada has a lot to be proud of (aside from the standard refrain of medicare and Tim Hortons). It doesn't have to spend all it's time obsessing about the United States and defining itself by this very obsession.
 

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Now that I have been living abroad for a while I am beginning to ponder just what the Canadian identity really is..

" Whenever I am back in Canada visiting friends everyone seems to want to try and convince me why America is so terrible and scary. This obsession with the US just baffles me."

These guys are fricken' nuts, you need to find some different friends. Genuine Canadians don't disclude people en masse.
 

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Canadians are pretty accepting of almost anyone. I think we haven't embraced
global fear yet because we are still to piss*d with our politicians.
 

SLM

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I'm tired of the whole not being American thing. I mean, it's so 1982 anyway. Think I'll try being 'not-Swedish' for a while, or possibly 'not-Peruvian' yeah that's the ticket!

I am Canadian. That is my identity. Were it not for the internet and a small percentage of idiots that populate it with their obsessive compulsion with America and Americans, I'd probably go many months without contemplating just how not-American I really am.

And I say that with great love for my American neighbours.
(Waves at Eaglesmack and Sons of Liberty. )
 

JLM

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I'm tired of the whole not being American thing. I mean, it's so 1982 anyway. Think I'll try being 'not-Swedish' for a while, or possibly 'not-Peruvian' yeah that's the ticket!

I am Canadian. That is my identity. Were it not for the internet and a small percentage of idiots that populate it with their obsessive compulsion with America and Americans, I'd probably go many months without contemplating just how not-American I really am.

And I say that with great love for my American neighbours.
(Waves at Eaglesmack and Sons of Liberty. )

What transpired in 1982? Just wonderin'.
 

BaalsTears

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The Canadians are an interesting group. Canada lacks a unifying principle which brings all Canadians together other than some measure of fear and antipathy toward America.

America was once unified by an idea which is now effectively dead. The lack of a unifying principle in America will probably result in a withering of America in many ways. It will be interesting to see what impact this phenomenon has on Canada's unifying principle.
 

SLM

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The Canadians are an interesting group. Canada lacks a unifying principle which brings all Canadians together other than some measure of fear and antipathy toward America.

America was once unified by an idea which is now effectively dead. The lack of a unifying principle in America will probably result in a withering of America in many ways. It will be interesting to see what impact this phenomenon has on Canada's unifying principle.

So, do we or don't we have a unifying principle?

And what exactly does that mean anyway? If we don't have some kind of 'group think' we'll wither away and die?
 

CDNBear

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If we don't have some kind of 'group think' we'll wither away and die?
No, we'll have all sorts of sub groups espousing their mangled idea of what the Canadian identity is.

Like the idiotic anti American crowd.
 

FiveParadox

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I don't think that any people have a single, unified, unanimously-endorsed "identity statement," and Canadians are no exception. We are a complex people, like anybody else, and that is perfectly okay. I would say, though, that I think one shade of that identity are principles of conversation and trust. Confederation was born out of conversation, which was tremendously unique for our time. I say trust because Canadians, all things considered, are generally trusting of governments, to a unique level of deference.
 

SLM

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No, we'll have all sorts of sub groups espousing their mangled idea of what the Canadian identity is.

Identity crisis...I've never understood that. We are who we are.

I was born here, raised here, had children here. I rise when the national anthem is played and sometimes even sing along. I vote, I pay taxes, I live and work here.

For added good measure, I throw in an extraneous 'u' in behind the 'o' when I'm spelling. Does it get more Canadian than that? Nope, not when your doing all of that while in Canada. And throwing in that 'u' just really seals the deal.

Like the idiotic anti American crowd.
Ah, the 'we hate their faces but want to talk about them all the time' brigade?
 

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I'm tired of the whole not being American thing. I mean, it's so 1982 anyway. Think I'll try being 'not-Swedish' for a while, or possibly 'not-Peruvian' yeah that's the ticket!

I am Canadian. That is my identity. Were it not for the internet and a small percentage of idiots that populate it with their obsessive compulsion with America and Americans, I'd probably go many months without contemplating just how not-American I really am.

And I say that with great love for my American neighbours.
(Waves at Eaglesmack and Sons of Liberty. )

Very well said SML, good for you, it's been my experience those who define themselves as not being American are really anti-Canadian.
 

CDNBear

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Very well said SML, good for you, it's been my experience those who define themselves as not being American are really anti-Canadian.
You just know someone is going to ask you to explain that, right?

I've read it, I've listened to you explain it, and yet I never get tired of it.
 

Sal

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I am Canadian. It means I live in Canada. I love Canada. I love living here and wish to remain Canadian. :canada:

Really I am just a child of the universe. Most wars and other stupidity involves patriotism in one form or another.
 

SLM

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You just know someone is going to ask you to explain that, right?

I've read it, I've listened to you explain it, and yet I never get tired of it.

Okay well then allow me.

Very well said SML, good for you, it's been my experience those who define themselves as not being American are really anti-Canadian.

Please continue. Although I like the possibilities that brings up, I'm curious as to what you specifically mean by it.

Pretty please?:D
 

JLM

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Yeah, the subject is getting a little tiring.............it's like comparing Chev and Pontiac! -:)

I am Canadian. It means I live in Canada. I love Canada. I love living here and wish to remain Canadian. :canada:

Good for you, Sal, so do I but that doesn't take away from Americans being just as proud of their country and rightfully so. We possibly don't understand all their inherent issues.

Very well said SML, good for you, it's been my experience those who define themselves as not being American are really anti-Canadian.

There's a lot of truth in that too!