Yeah, it quickly gets a bit circular, you have to assume god exists in order to argue that you can't prove he does or doesn't because that's the way he wants it. This passes for logic in some minds.
Christian Intelligence
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In the pure light of the primacy of natural cycles your disinclination to worship the big wheel is disconcerting.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
One that can walk through solid walls, why do they leave that part out in the movies, that and hand-springs.
In what way(s) does Christianity sharpen intelligence? In what way(s) is Christianity an education itself?
Kinesthetic = Whole-body competence, e.g. singing, dancing, flying an airplane Theory of Social Intelligence
"When Jesus’ parents had fulfilled all the requirements of the law of the Lord, they returned home to Nazareth in Galilee. There the child grew up healthy and strong. He was filled with wisdom, and God’s favor was on him." (Luke 2:39-40 NLT)
The Gentile physician Luke describes the child Jesus as "healthy and strong."
In what other ways does Christianity contribute to kinesthetic intelligence?
Kinesthetic = Whole-body competence, e.g. singing, dancing, flying an airplane Theory of Social Intelligence
"When Jesus’ parents had fulfilled all the requirements of the law of the Lord, they returned home to Nazareth in Galilee. There the child grew up healthy and strong. He was filled with wisdom, and God’s favor was on him." (Luke 2:39-40 NLT)
The Gentile physician Luke describes the child Jesus as "healthy and strong."
In what other ways does Christianity contribute to kinesthetic intelligence?
As Bethlehem yields unshakable connections with myth long antecedent, likewise does Nazareth. From data given us by Epiphanius (Haer. xxix, 6) brotherhoods or sects of religionists under the name of Nazaraioi (Nazoreans) had existed in pre-Christian times. Drews ventures the likely surmise that "Nazareth took its name from the sect of Nazoreans instead of the reverse, as is admitted by so distinguished a scholar as W. Nestle." And Epiphanius gives out the startling datum that "all men called the Christians Nazoraeans" in his time. Again he writes: "The heresy of the Nazarees was before Christ, and knew not Christ." The Arabian name for Christians was "Nasara."
And how did Luke know this when he never met the man until he started his ministry at the age of 30? What happened to Jesus during the years between he was 12 and 30? What he did during that period had a profound effect on his teachings.
Thanks for your response, Cliffy. In the introduction to his written account, the Gentile physician/scientist Luke states that he "carefully investigated everything from the beginning":
"Many people have set out to write accounts about the events that have been fulfilled among us. They used the eyewitness reports circulating among us from the early disciples. Having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I also have decided to write a careful account for you, most honorable Theophilus, so you can be certain of the truth of everything you were taught." (Luke 1:1-4 NLT)
You are only asked to take this view tentatively, and then let us watch the process and see how the compilers and forgers of our Luke put in the touches by which the mythos was rationalized
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and the human history was added to the Gnostic “Gospel of the Lord.” The “Sayings of the Lord” were first, and they were not personal. The “Gospel of the Lord” was first, and the Lord was not historical.
The Jesus of Marcion like the Jesus of Esdras, of Paul, and other Gnostics, is no Jesus of Nazareth. This title has been added by Luke. Marcion’s Jesus being mythical and not historical, he has no Jewish father and mother; consequently we find the test question:—“Is not this Joseph’s son?” does not appear in the “Gospel of the Lord.” It has been added by Luke. Again, the statement, “there came to him his mother and brethren; and they could not get at him for the crowd” (Luke viii. 9), is not to be found in Marcion’s gospel; it has been added by Luke. And for what? but to manufacture and make out that human history which was at last believed in, but which had no place in any gospel according to the Gnostics or true primitive Christians! It can be proved how passage after passage has been added to the earlier gospel, in the course of manufacturing the later history. For example, the mourning over Jerusalem (Luke xiii. 29-35) is taken verbatim from the 2nd Esdras (i. 28-33) without acknowledgment, and the words previously uttered by the “Almighty Lord” are here assigned to Jesus as the original speaker. The account of Pilate’s shedding the blood of the Galileans and mingling it with their sacrifices (Luke xiii. 1) has been added by some one so ignorant of Hebrew history, that he has ascribed to Pilate an act which was committed when Quirinus was governor, twenty-four years earlier than the alleged appearance of Jesus. Again, the anti-Nazarene, anti-Gnostic passage about the publicans being baptised with water, and the Son of Man coming eating and drinking as a glutton and a wine-bibber, has been added.GNOSTIC AND HISTORIC CHRISTIANITY
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and the human history was added to the Gnostic “Gospel of the Lord.” The “Sayings of the Lord” were first, and they were not personal. The “Gospel of the Lord” was first, and the Lord was not historical.
The Jesus of Marcion like the Jesus of Esdras, of Paul, and other Gnostics, is no Jesus of Nazareth. This title has been added by Luke. Marcion’s Jesus being mythical and not historical, he has no Jewish father and mother; consequently we find the test question:—“Is not this Joseph’s son?” does not appear in the “Gospel of the Lord.” It has been added by Luke. Again, the statement, “there came to him his mother and brethren; and they could not get at him for the crowd” (Luke viii. 9), is not to be found in Marcion’s gospel; it has been added by Luke. And for what? but to manufacture and make out that human history which was at last believed in, but which had no place in any gospel according to the Gnostics or true primitive Christians! It can be proved how passage after passage has been added to the earlier gospel, in the course of manufacturing the later history. For example, the mourning over Jerusalem (Luke xiii. 29-35) is taken verbatim from the 2nd Esdras (i. 28-33) without acknowledgment, and the words previously uttered by the “Almighty Lord” are here assigned to Jesus as the original speaker. The account of Pilate’s shedding the blood of the Galileans and mingling it with their sacrifices (Luke xiii. 1) has been added by some one so ignorant of Hebrew history, that he has ascribed to Pilate an act which was committed when Quirinus was governor, twenty-four years earlier than the alleged appearance of Jesus. Again, the anti-Nazarene, anti-Gnostic passage about the publicans being baptised with water, and the Son of Man coming eating and drinking as a glutton and a wine-bibber, has been added.GNOSTIC AND HISTORIC CHRISTIANITY
The rules He has to follow might be even more difficult that the ones that He gave us to follow are. Can you imagine if you or I or anybody had to perform each and everything we ever uttered and we are a chatty person to begin with? Then you have to do it in a way that nobody can be 100% sure of just how the ending goes as far as exact sequence and timing (rather than the events themselves being real is part of the discussion). If remembering to include all the 'changes' then how does He live with the gap between the words and the action when some of them are going to be unpleasant tasks, just like He admits.Well, presumably, the way things are must be the way god wants them to be, or he'd have made them be some other way. He can do that, ya know,
Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Jer:4:28:
For this shall the earth mourn,
and the heavens above be black:
because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it,
and will not repent,
neither will I turn back from it.
Are verses like this (intentionally) written that way to (intentionally) minimize the terror that will come with such an event when it unfolds? (in our day that is more than 2 billion people that will die)
Da:2:35:
Then was the iron, the clay,
the brass,
the silver,
and the gold,
broken to pieces together,
and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors;
and the wind carried them away, that no place was found
An author who self proclaims to tell the truth in a book that self proclaims to tell the truth is not believable. I could tell you the same thing and yet you would not believe me. Just because someone or something proclaims to be the truth and the word of god, does not make it so.
I didn't appreciate self-proclamation in Luke's opening statements, Cliffy. Rather, I recognized them as a preface:
pref·ace
1. a preliminary statement in a book by the book's author or editor, setting forth its purpose and scope, expressing acknowledgment of assistance from others, etc.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/preface
The World Hates the Disciples
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’
Not directed soley at you. Can we just post or only via a reply.
Jesus (Biblical Jesus) was right. He was, is and will continue to be hated without reason. This perhaps should be for a new thread.
Beside "full reply" is the option "quick reply".
I don't think anybody hates Jesus. Personally, I'm a fan. But as the prayer goes, "Lord, please save us from your followers."