Spade: I don't think anyone can argue that Scripture has at times - often times been misused. This should shock no one as the devil's purpose is to trample truth underfoot. If he can make Scripture to appear unholy, unjust and insensitive, then he scores many points. However, keep in mind God's intent and purpose still stand. Sure, there will always be a loon willing to use the Bible as a weapon to beat people down, but be careful not to fall into the trap of thinking that is actually what God wants. As for the Bishop questioning Scripture's soundness - that is nothing new under the sun. Again, Satan's work is to destroy the Word. For those that do not believe or can't believe, know that it is what is to be expected. Unbelief is the norm because most have not been given the Holy Spirit. A person is unable to believe or know unless God grants that person with faith. It is not up to your "free will" to believe. You cannot. I cannot. This, if understood correctly, may infuriate many. Then all manner of discord breaks forth - "Who is this God that won't allow me to believe, but then demand that I do????" A curious subject if one would only search in humility and reverence. "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him."
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Spade: If you want to know God, you have to stop relying on what people say/unearth as being "true". That includes me - don't listen to anyone. Bishop sounds like he at one point was heavily indoctrinated with false doctrine and is now attempting to admonish people to break free from their religious "dictators". He does have some very sound points in that there is much evil done in the name of religion. There have been religious leaders that demand their adherents follow their decrees all to unfortunate ends. Jesus & the apostles speak in great length about these wolves. Know that true Christians would never support the murderous rampages that Bishop describes in the video. Also, as we can clearly infer, by Bishop saying "my sunday school filled me with anti-semitism". His sunday school teacher should have been fired. Bishop goes on to say "God hated the Egyptians..." (old testament). Bishop does not have a clear understanding or comprehension of the biblical message. He mistakenly comprehends that God HATES various groups of people. This is so far off the mark that it is tragic. Also, the Bible should never be quoted to advance one's agenda. Bishop seems to think if one believes in what the Bible says, then that person must need to go all out of bounds and hate certain groups of people. Good Grief! Talk about a misinterpretation! No! No! He must have been really burned in life and now views any mention of Christianity as a rogue sect. So. Be careful. Yes. The idiots out number the good. So much so, it would seem Bishop is absolutely right. But, there are some that are good and just. The devil keeps them well hidden. The things done in the name of religion!
Here I thought the trick to getting wise about something was to not make any conclusions before taking in all the relevant material.
Isa:28:9-10:
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line,
line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:
MHZ: Indeed. I should have been more clear. Let us not hang on the words of our fellow humans. Rather let us be taught by God. Here is where it may get tricky. Some will sit in a corner, light a candle and surround themselves in ancient texts. After many long hours, one might imagine they have been given the latest from God himself. I'll keep it brief. Stick to the Word of God in reverence and humility. He who seeks God shall find him. Me thinks we are in agreement.
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the problem with that cj, is only god knows what his word is... man can only assume a written word is correct... god writes his word in our heart...everything else is suspect...
I think much of the barrier to people doing this is an unwillingness to be honest with one's self about behaviour and thoughts... when we do things that are out of line with pure "right" if we don't admit it, it's just a barrier that can't be crossed...
there's one thing that I will always be grateful to the Catholic for and that is confession...it teaches one to examine one's conscience...if one can not...one will struggle all of their life with ego
ego = barrier to growth and love
Can we be certain our "heart" is pure and good? Mind controlled by Ego? You define Ego as what?
"All a person’s ways seem pure to them,
but motives are weighed by the Lord."
People are certainly suspect, but I think we can be assured that God's Word is pure and He gives us that Word - the Bible- so we know what his word is. Yet, we have to be on guard as there are many who distort and malign his word.
Again, if God be God, he is most certainly capable of attentively keeping his Word "alive" throughout the generations. Not to be confused with Scripture twisters. We shall contend with false prophets until the last day. These are separate thoughts. Bible is Pure & True. False Prophets distort the pure Word in order to cause mass confusion and lead as many as possible away from the Word.
"All a person’s ways seem pure to them,
but motives are weighed by the Lord."
People are certainly suspect, but I think we can be assured that God's Word is pure and He gives us that Word - the Bible- so we know what his word is. Yet, we have to be on guard as there are many who distort and malign his word.
Again, if God be God, he is most certainly capable of attentively keeping his Word "alive" throughout the generations. Not to be confused with Scripture twisters. We shall contend with false prophets until the last day. These are separate thoughts. Bible is Pure & True. False Prophets distort the pure Word in order to cause mass confusion and lead as many as possible away from the Word.
We can. I know in an instant when I have wronged myself or someone else. It's about brutal honestly with self and that leads to freedom.
We have the ability to examine our motives.
No one can distort or malign what he tells me because it is only between god and me. It was always that way for me even when I was small I knew adults were suspect and had an agenda. One must always identify the agenda and then one knows the truth. Also one's intuition tells us.
You have no respect for the ancestors, you would defecate on the natural science of all the countless generations of reason since the light came on. God helps them that help themselves but you spurn the help of your own long bloodlines. The ditches on the road to god are filled with the bones of countless lost souls.
Yes it is heavy enough to correct the student with a blow to the head.
you must have some Catholic in your background...Yes it is heavy enough to correct the student with a blow to the head.
Cliffy: God will determine who he chooses. We have no ability "to connect to the source". Though, I should query what you are defining as source. It is always God seeking us. We, the lost sheep do not seek him first. You give abominable mankind too much credit. Now here I shall sound like a pompous elitist and that is why I rarely give way to open discussion on the matter. I find it difficult to communicate the fact that we humans have no inclination whatsoever to seek God. Rather, we run from him so fast that he only catches a glimpse of our after burners. That, perhaps is not the offensive part of the debate. Here is where some think I go madcap. God chooses us. Not the other way around. We have NOTHING to do with knowing God and if we do not come to know him on His terms, we fool ourselves completely. See, we do not recognize or acknowledge our deplorable state. Rather we esteem our knowledge and fancy ourselves deep thinkers. Oh that we would only know our thoughts on the matter of Holiness are pure rubbish. So, when I tell you that yes, God saved a wretched sinner like me - I mean a wretched sinner. A filthy, fuming, proud double faced fink. Now - we may imagine I am a "black" devil - the sort involved in gambling, drink and smut. I tell you I am worse off. I am rather a white devil! No! Rather a Platinum devil - was full of every pride known to mankind. Could nearly outrun Satan himself for the prize. Now, I am here to tell you. There was not so much as a morsel of goodness within me that I should seek the Lord. He grabbed me even against my beautiful polished self will and brought me before his judgement and mercy. I had NOTHING to do with it.
Dark B: Holy cow. You may not want to read my next thread as I think you may strongly disagree. Yikes!
Dark B: Holy cow. You may not want to read my next thread as I think you may strongly disagree. Yikes!
You have no ability to disconnect from the source. Light is the source. You have not read the bible.
Dark: I ask you this once to not speak in such riddles. And don't tell me that your writings wouldn't be riddles for my ear if I was connected to the source. I am dull of mind and need more explanation than most. Are you speaking in terms of actual electrons within electric fields? Or are you being analogous? I mean you are not hooking yourself up to electrodes and stuff are you? Please talk plain for the simple - I am simple, very simple.You have no ability to disconnect from the source. Light is the source. You have not read the bible.
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I will read it twice just because it will be so disagreeable which is a nice change from the agreeable stuff I read all day. I am an old time christian, recently self discovered after some decades of erroneous direction by crafty scribes and their crafty demon ancestors.