Britain destroyed records of colonial crimes

Blackleaf

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That was the British that caused all our problems before Canada became a country.

And there would have been no Canada had it not been for the British.

All your royality is inbred

So is yours.

There is also herstory. Often quite different than history.

Only for the politically correct morons who invent silly words for no good reason.

The fact that other countries have done stuff does not change the topic at hand, or erase the sins of the British Empire.

Bull****. The British Empire was a force for good in this world, the most benign empire the world has ever seen.

It's not perfect.

It's still the greatest nation that has ever existed.

As for what you'd 'gladly support'.... you're a twisted fcuk.

If it's "twisted" to support a group of Native American freedoms fighters campaigning to get their land back from you lot then it's only as twisted as supporting the murderous and bloodthirsty Mau Mau.
 

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Bull****. The British Empire was a force for good in this world, the most benign empire the world has ever seen.

You can ignore it and deny it, but the history of the British Empire has yet to be written;

Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian


It's still the greatest nation that has ever existed.

That right there speaks volumes of what the British represented and unfortunately the elite in Britain still do.
 

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You can ignore it and deny it, but the history of the British Empire has yet to be written;

Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

I don't know what you're reading that rubbish for. The left wing Grauniad and the odious George Monbiot are barely worth wiping my bottom with. The number of Guardian readers would just about fit into a Mini.


That right there speaks volumes of what the British represented and unfortunately the elite in Britain still do.

Britain is the greatest civilisation the world has ever seen. And it's not just "the elite" who thinks that. Anyone with half a brain cell knows it.
 

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Britain is the greatest civilisation the world has ever seen. And it's not just "the elite" who thinks that. Anyone with half a brain cell knows it.

Ok Blackleaf, I'll bite, why is Britain the greatest civilization the world has ever seen? What exactly do you think gives you this distinction?
 

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Ok Blackleaf, I'll bite,

Not me, you won't.

why is Britain the greatest civilization the world has ever seen? What exactly do you think gives you this distinction?

Britain is the country which was the head of the richest and most powerful empire the world has ever seen.

Britain also made the modern world. Without Britain the world would not still be in the 17th Century. The world would get on fine without Canada, but it would be much poorer if there had been no Britain.
 

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Not me, you won't.



Britain is the country which was the head of the richest and most powerful empire the world has ever seen.

Britain also made the modern world. Without Britain the world would not still be in the 17th Century. The world would get on fine without Canada, but it would be much poorer if there had been no Britain.

Wow. You are just like those street artists that draw caricatures for tourists except you exclusively do self-portraits.
 

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Wow. You are just like those street artists that draw caricatures for tourists except you exclusively do self-portraits.

What's wrong? I'm only telling the truth.

I can't think of ANY country which has contributed as much to the world as Britain has. Britain is history's greatest-ever civilisation.
 

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Greatest country the world has ever seen. The most influential nation in history. Of that there is no doubt. No amount of silly posts is going to persuade me to change my views.

And, according to this, Britain outstrips Canada, the USA, Germany, France and every other country in the world bar Sweden in living standards, infrastructure and individual opportunity. Basically, it's better to live in Britain than in Canada.

And while the US spends more per head than anywhere else in the world on health care, it comes only 11th for overall “health and wellness” in the new index.

By contrast health spending in Britain is 11th but it tops the table for overall health and wellness.

So the British are healthier than everyone else.

Britain ranked second only to Sweden in table of most advanced countries

It might not feel like it to those stuck on a delayed train or struggling to get a mobile phone signal but Britain has been ranked as the second most advanced country in the world in a new measure designed to rival GDP.


Despite criticisms of the NHS, health care proves central to Britain’s success in the rankings Photo: ALAMY



By John Bingham, Social affairs Editor

11 Apr 2013
The Telegraph


Britain: A better place to live in than Canada


The UK outstrips the United States, Germany, France and Japan for overall progress in living standards, infrastructure and individual opportunity according to the index designed by a team of US economists.

Only Sweden scores more highly overall in the new “Social Progress Index” (SPI), which ranks 50 leading countries by combining figures on everything from health and crime to broadband access and freedom of speech.

According to the authors, Britain’s constant efforts to “straddle” Europe and America have made it one if the best places to live in the world overall.

While European countries with often generous welfare systems score highly in the new index’s key “social infrastructure” measure, they fare less well in the “opportunity” category which combines personal freedoms with measures such as access to higher education.

Meanwhile the US tops the table in opportunity but comes only 16th in the social infrastructure category.

And, despite criticisms of the NHS, health care proves central to Britain’s success in the rankings.

The index compiled by Prof Michael Porter, of Harvard, and a team of economists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), is designedas an alternative to traditional measures such as Gross Domestic Product (GDP) which is based on purely economic standards.

They pulled together more than 50 sets of data ranging from figures from the OECD and World Health Organisation to academic studies to come up with the new measure of overall progress.

Michael Green, executive director of the Social Progress Imperative, the Washington-based think-tank which publishes the new index, said the secret of the UK’s success appeared to be its “mid-Atlantic” approach.

“If you think of Britain’s self image as straddling the best of Europe and the best of America that is what seems to be coming across in the data,” he said.

While the US spends more per head than anywhere else in the world on health care, it comes only 11th for overall “health and wellness” in the new index.

By contrast health spending in Britain is 11th but it tops the table for overall health and wellness.

The UK also comes fourth on a measure of “access to information and communications” behind Switzerland, Germany and Sweden but ahead of the Korea, France and the US.

The measure takes into account official figures for broadband access and mobile phone use as well as an index of “press freedom”.

But Mr Green added: “We are not saying that Britain is perfect, you can unpick this and see where the challenges are.

“One is affordable housing where we do less well than Germany, there are emerging issues in health such as obesity, heart disease and cancer and also access to higher education comes up.”

He went on: “We are not just another income measure like GDP, our index is based on measuring real things that matter to real people.

“GDP is pretty good at measuring social progress, the results broadly correlate with rising income but it is not the whole answer and we have got to start to talk about other things as well.”

The SPI top 10:

1. Sweden
2. United Kingdom
3. Switzerland
4. Canada
5. Germany
6. United States
7. Australia
8. Japan
9. France
10. Spain


Britain ranked second only to Sweden in table of most advanced countries - Telegraph
 
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Oh, it feels so good to laugh.

You just keep on being you, okay?

I've got plenty of reason to laugh. I live in the greatest civilisation the world has ever known with a capital city which is probably outstripped only by Rome and Athens as history's most influential city. And, as I've shown above, I live in the second-best country in the world to live in after Sweden. Being Brritish I have a higher quality of life than people do in Canada and the USA.
 

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I've got plenty of reason to laugh. I live in the greatest civilisation the world has ever known with a capital city which is probably outstripped only by Rome and Athens as history's most influential city. And, as I've shown above, I live in the second-best country in the world to live in after Sweden. Being Brritish I have a higher quality of life than people do in Canada and the USA.

That's ok Blackleaf, calm down mate, everything will be ok, run along now and go have some spotted d i c k.
 

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I've been having this conversation with CDNBear for years, British history has yet to be written.

Unlike US Marine Corps history? USMC history is also largely hidden because of the numbers of atrocities, many of which are recent.

Kinda funny to see the tail wagging the dog here. History? Britain is over 1,000 years old, America barely over 200. Comparatively speaking America has no history.

In situations of war history is always written by the winners, in situations of oppression it is written by the oppressors. History really is mostly a one-sided story.

Which is why any "history" is never the "truth". Every scenario has many truths, a different truth from each observer.

I won't speak for Canadians, but you need to brush up on your history, the British Empire only grabbed what the Europeans built. That is what the British Empire did, right? Pretty much take land that didn't belong to them.

Like America. Recent writings on the Indian Wars reveal that most encounters after the US Civil War consisted mainly of camped groups of Indian women and children being set upon by cavalry armed with rifles and artillery. When Indian men were involved they were usually only armed with spears, bows and arrows. Much the same thing happened in the Philippines, where a modern US Marine Corps armed with rifles fought spear carrying Islanders. The Philippines saw the first extensive use of Gatling guns.

The new baby Prince that was just born, in that the next 20 years will mean the same type of nannies and the same boarding schools how much different than Dad (who went the exact same route) will he be?
You would rather do that to them than buy their land at fair market value, how much respect are you actually demanding?
The settler invasion was Phase II, the previous phase was the fur traders and the Priests with diseased products. Today the UN would be sending in inspection teams and (OMG) the British would be up on more war crime charges. It isn't so much that you are slow to learn, it's that the methods you reruse to let go of are so barbaric they never should have been implemented in the first place. A point that will escape you without a doubt, proving breeding (or lack of) does not determine that you will be on one certain side of the stupid line.

All of which was business as usual then and politically incorrect now. The only certain thing is that 100 years from now we will be seen as equally barbaric. There's not much point in expressing indignation and outrage.

The Magna Carta, remember that, were the Royals being too kind to the business owners or too barbaric that they needed an agreement' of sorts?

I recall I was taught that Magna Carta was repealed the year after it was passed. I am unable to find the repealing reference in my old text and the web refers to other dates for the Magna Carta. In any event iit is part of British Constitutional History and law that no parliament can bind the hands of a subsequent parliament, and it is doubtful if, over the years, a single grant in the original remains unchanged.
 
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tober, take a breather dude, this thread is about the British Empire, you can go chit chat about your anti-American baloney on so many other threads.
 

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tober, take a breather dude, this thread is about the British Empire, you can go chit chat about your anti-American baloney on so many other threads.

You create an OP that is critical of the British Empire but you are intolerant of criticisms of America? Okay. Typical yank. I fully understand your upset. Broadly speaking nobody outside America likes yanks. The US Marines are recognized as having a horrid record for shooting civilians, along with the rest of America's military. America itself is fascist. For some reason you don't want to post in America (easily understood) and you think you've found a haven here. You probably have - Canadians are generally polite and forgiving. I've read enough posts directed at your Americanisms to understand your status here.

Besides, the entire British Empire is anti-American.
 
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The old European colonialists were little more that fascist regimes and everyone
knows it. Yes bad things happened and injustice was the order of the day. In
France, Britain and elsewhere people lived off the misery of others. You can't
try people who have been dead for a long time. As for secret papers being
illegally kept concealed that is not so a government can keep its secrets for a
long time by classifying them as secret or top secret.
Unfortunately most are not ready to accept responsibility for the actions of the
government on their behalf and wounds will be present until that happens.
 

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When Shakespeare wrote "Brevity is the soul of wit".... He had never seen any of your posts8O


Recent scholarship shows that Shakespeare was actually a stranded sailor form the Kikuyu tribe of Kenya, forced to Peddle his collective tribal wisdom to English men in order to make a living in that strange land until his
ship, Literally, came in...

I've got plenty of reason to laugh. I live in the greatest civilisation the world has ever known with a capital city which is probably outstripped only by Rome and Athens as history's most influential city. And, as I've shown above, I live in the second-best country in the world to live in after Sweden. Being Brritish I have a higher quality of life than people do in Canada and the USA.

For that you can thank Clement Atlee, who saw the writing on the wall for empire and got Merrie England out, BL..
 

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You create an OP that is critical of the British Empire but you are intolerant of criticisms of America?

No I am not, all I said is pretty much stay on topic.

Okay. Typical yank. I fully understand your upset. Broadly speaking nobody outside America likes yanks.

I really don't care who likes the US and who doesn't, my life goes on just fine.

The US Marines are recognized as having a horrid record for shooting civilians, along with the rest of America's military.

You're a headline historian, at best.

America itself is fascist.

If this belief makes you sleep better, I am glad we can be of assistance.

For some reason you don't want to post in America (easily understood) and you think you've found a haven here.

I post here, because I like obtaining various points of view (unlike yourself), I also post on Australian sites and yes American as well.

You probably have - Canadians are generally polite and forgiving. I've read enough posts directed at your Americanisms to understand your status here.

I'm not going to lump an entire population into one phrase and lower my standards to your level, Canadian attitudes vary far and wide from sea to sea to sea.

Besides, the entire British Empire is anti-American.

That's understandable, we are traitors to them.