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US Government is Closed!
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The libertarian 'principle' has never been able to garner more than 5% of the electoral vote in any sustainable form in the U.S.
It's a protest vote.. driven by anger and frustration.. it does not in and of itself provide a single solution to the economic and social problems of the day. It is berefit of ideas except in its animosity to government of any sort. It is being used most cynically by 'free' market forces to curtail essential regulation... and a fair and progressive taxation system.
So i think i was being to generous by calling it a 'principle'.. its really just an 'attitude'... and standing up for 'attitude' as opposed to 'principle'.. usually gets you little more than a bloody nose.
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The United States system of government makes no bloody sense.
It should not be within the power of Congress to shut down the operations of government through a mechanism such as refusing to pass a continuing resolution for spending. If there are bills or expenses, you pay them. That's how life works. My position is the same with the concept of a "debt ceiling." Your debts don't stop being debts just because they're above some pre-determined ceiling. Pay your bloody bills.
This would never happen in the Canadian system. Every money vote is a matter of confidence -- and if the Government is defeated, then Parliament is dissolved (or another Government that can pass spending measures is invited). While Parliament is dissolved, the Governor General issues "special warrants" for spending, that allow urgent expenses to continue to be paid, if not already appropriated by Parliament.
It should not be within the power of Congress to shut down the operations of government through a mechanism such as refusing to pass a continuing resolution for spending. If there are bills or expenses, you pay them. That's how life works. My position is the same with the concept of a "debt ceiling." Your debts don't stop being debts just because they're above some pre-determined ceiling. Pay your bloody bills.
This would never happen in the Canadian system. Every money vote is a matter of confidence -- and if the Government is defeated, then Parliament is dissolved (or another Government that can pass spending measures is invited). While Parliament is dissolved, the Governor General issues "special warrants" for spending, that allow urgent expenses to continue to be paid, if not already appropriated by Parliament.
You'd be surprised.
The Republican party has lost its way long long ago, I highly doubt they will even be elected over the next decade.
Soooo, spend billions in elections instead? That makes sense as well. :roll:
Possibly, don't get me wrong, the Dems suck *** just as much, Congress has lost its way, it used to be a place where they did the right thing for all Americans when it came down to it, now it's all about party politics.
No argument from me there.
Living in the most solid of blue states, hearing Democrats call the GOP obstructionist is laughable. We had a GOP Senator that crossed party lines on a number of occasions an he was solidly bumped out of office for a Liberal Democrat who will NEVER cross party lines.
Scott Brown worked with both sides of the aisle and that was not going to fly here in Massachusetts. Of course Democrats want the GOP to cave in 100% and anything less is obstructionism.
Living in the most solid of blue states, hearing Democrats call the GOP obstructionist is laughable. We had a GOP Senator that crossed party lines on a number of occasions an he was solidly bumped out of office for a Liberal Democrat who will NEVER cross party lines.
Scott Brown worked with both sides of the aisle and that was not going to fly here in Massachusetts. Of course Democrats want the GOP to cave in 100% and anything less is obstructionism.
the government is closed and they are sent home, so there is no change in the amount of work done. 
Australia had a government shutdown once. In the end, the queen fired everyone in Parliament.
The United States' self-imposed federal government shutdown has a way of making people around the world shake their heads in bewilderment. As Georgetown professor Erik Voeten wrote for The Washington Post's new Monkey Cage political science blog, "I cannot think of a single foreign analogy to what is happening in the U.S. today."
But there actually is one foreign precedent: Australia did this once. In 1975, the Australian government shut down because the legislature had failed to fund it, deadlocked by a budgetary squabble. It looked a lot like the U.S. shutdown of today, or the 17 previous U.S. shutdowns.
Australia's 1975 shutdown ended pretty differently, though, than they do here in America. Queen Elizabeth II's official representative in Australia, Governor General Sir John Kerr, simply dismissed the prime minister. He appointed a replacement, who immediately passed the spending bill to fund the government. Three hours later, Kerr dismissed the rest of Parliament. Then Australia held elections to restart from scratch. And they haven't had another shutdown since.
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Australia had a government shutdown once. In the end, the queen fired everyone in Parliament.
The United States' self-imposed federal government shutdown has a way of making people around the world shake their heads in bewilderment. As Georgetown professor Erik Voeten wrote for The Washington Post's new Monkey Cage political science blog, "I cannot think of a single foreign analogy to what is happening in the U.S. today."
But there actually is one foreign precedent: Australia did this once. In 1975, the Australian government shut down because the legislature had failed to fund it, deadlocked by a budgetary squabble. It looked a lot like the U.S. shutdown of today, or the 17 previous U.S. shutdowns.
Australia's 1975 shutdown ended pretty differently, though, than they do here in America. Queen Elizabeth II's official representative in Australia, Governor General Sir John Kerr, simply dismissed the prime minister. He appointed a replacement, who immediately passed the spending bill to fund the government. Three hours later, Kerr dismissed the rest of Parliament. Then Australia held elections to restart from scratch. And they haven't had another shutdown since.
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Australia had a government shutdown once. In the end, the queen fired everyone in Parliament.
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What a grotesque little man Obama is
Bravo to the WWII vets who breached the WWII memorial, and kudos to the Park Police officer who refused to enforce closure.
Stupid, too. This has gotten people very pissed off.
What a grotesque little man Obama is
Bravo to the WWII vets who breached the WWII memorial, and kudos to the Park Police officer who refused to enforce closure.
Stupid, too. This has gotten people very pissed off.
Postal Service worked today so not everything got shut down.
Congress still gets paid -- it's in the Constitution
Congress still gets paid -- it's in the Constitution - CNN.com
Time to change the Constitution
Congress still gets paid -- it's in the Constitution
Congress still gets paid -- it's in the Constitution - CNN.com
Time to change the Constitution
Of course if someone gets hurt after breaching the barriers who will they sue?via bcf
What a grotesque little man Obama is
Bravo to the WWII vets who breached the WWII memorial, and kudos to the Park Police officer who refused to enforce closure.
Stupid, too. This has gotten people very pissed off.