7th-grader suspended for having gun keychain

[PoliticalNick]

Really. Tell that to Mogadishens.

Is that some new alien race? Or do you mean Somalis?

Only if they're naturally peacefull people, in which case packing a gun is just extra wight.

Fortunately 98% of us are, I worry about the other 2%

It's not about the guns. It's about the quality of the civilization. If you're living in a f*cked up society, then packing a weapon is *not* going to reduce crime... it's just going to mean wasted time in court explaining why you felt like you were getting attacked and had to pull a trigger.

After a few years of citizens being armed and able to defend themselves there won't be enough criminals left to concern ourselves with.

Yeah right... and so your sidearm is going to protect you from a Warthog shooting from a mile away.

Nope, but 20 million armed citizens can make some power-hungry a$$hole think twice about sending that Warthog.

Actually, they would not be so quick to pass ludicrous and invasive legislation if you'd just elect sensible people not under the thumb of lobbyists.

As soon as one of those runs for office I will vote for them. I would love to see radical government reforms to put power back in the hands of the citizens instead of corporations and banks but I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah ya ya... humans have been holding and using tools for hundreds of thousands of years... maybe millions... but I bet you in a prehistoric tribe, if some idiot was brain-damaged and couldn't hold a club without clobbering innocents, that they wouldn't let him hold a weapon.

My point exactly, all the gun control laws do is take those clubs away from the innocents and leave them in the hands of the idiots.

Then why are you even bothering to debate it?

I'm not, I'm trying to get others to realize gun control is not a solution, it is far from a solution.

You mean like what you got now, with a dictatorship having only 36% of the popular support, that does not report to the press?

Yep, that's what we got.

Okay, let's see you march on Ottawa with your pistol. Think you can sneak it past the RCMP pat-down before you get within a block of Parliament?

You think the RCMP can stop 10 or 20 million marching to Ottawa armed and ready to oust our little dictatorship?

 

[JLM]

how many guns do you own JLM? just curious as to how big your collection is and if you have hand guns?

Three rifles only and it's probably been 25 years since I've fired one. Two of them are .22s.

Well my friend. I do not advocate shooting the bastards, at least not yet. History tells us that it is normal and commonplace for any government to reach a point of shifting towards the totalitarian control Orwell writes about in 1984. History also teaches us that there is a point in that shift where insurrection or armed rebellion can change the course of events. I firmly believe the western societies are very close to that point in the progression of governmental control where we will have to make a choice between becoming slaves in a Big Brother police state or defending our freedoms as individuals. All the signs are there as the govts insinuate themselves into our daily lives and homes on an ever-increasing basis. You are welcome to call me nuts for these beliefs and only time will tell if I am right or wrong but I will at least be prepared if I am right.

You've been reading too many comic books! -

 

[Sal]

Three rifles only and it's probably been 25 years since I've fired one. Two of them are .22s.



You've been reading too many comic books! -

okay cool thanks JLM....do you feel the need to own them to protect yourself?

 

[petros]

With the exception of this board I find very few Canadians interested in guns, or willing to fight to the death to keep their guns, and most people within my world couldn't care less about guns with the exception of a few hunters.

It depends where you live. In SK we have two Cabelas for 1.1 Million people.

Check them out online. They have this pretty decent Savage 30.06 bolt with optics for $359 Canadian.

It's the best health program going.

If you sight that puppy for 60m and practise a little you'll drop 150lbs your first time out in SK.

Good women can drop 300lbs a year.

 

[Sal]

It depends where you live. In SK we have two Cabelas for 1.1 Million people.

Check them out online. They have this pretty decent Savage 30.06 bolt with optics for $359 Canadian.

It's the best health program going.

If you sight that puppy for 60m and practise a little you'll drop 150lbs your first time out in SK.

Good women can drop 300lbs a year.

It does depend on where you live and I have no problem with it when needed, but when mums from the burbs keep them under their pillow for protect, that society has a much larger issue to deal with. We need to deal with that issue.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Three rifles only and it's probably been 25 years since I've fired one. Two of them are .22s.



You've been reading too many comic books! -

Nope, been reading too many history books.

okay cool thanks JLM....do you feel the need to own them to protect yourself?

I don't feel I need them to protect myself in my neighborhood, hell I live across the street from 2 RCMP officers. The point to consider though is would you rather have them and not need them, or not have them when you do need them?

It is not time to go out and arm yourself after you suffer a home invasion or car-jacking. After the govt starts rounding up those who speak against them, as is possible under current anti-terrorist legislation, it is too late.

You buy insurance for your car and house and disability, why wouldn't you buy insurance against criminals and oppressive govt?

 

[JLM]

okay cool thanks JLM....do you feel the need to own them to protect yourself?

My guns are mostly dismantled and put out of harms way. I suppose there is a chance in 50 that a situation would arise where a gun would come in useful, but it could also be more of a liability than an asset. If you only wounded the guy he might be able to sue you. I think hunters, target shooters, collectors should be able to own guns without a lot of red tape. People with records of robbery, violence or unstable disposition should NOT be able to own them. That would greatly reduce any gun incidents.

 

[PoliticalNick]

It does depend on where you live and I have no problem with it when needed, but when mums from the burbs keep them under their pillow for protect, that society has a much larger issue to deal with. We need to deal with that issue.

And if every mum in every house in the burbs had one under their pillow the problem would go away quickly either through crooks getting smarter or attrition.

 

[JLM]

You buy insurance for your car and house and disability, why wouldn't you buy insurance against criminals and oppressive govt?

That's just plain crazy, Nick. Even if you owned 100 guns, WHAT are YOU going to do against oppressive gov't? At what point are you going to decide they have become too oppressive. So one year you find your income tax assessment is too high, what are you going to do? Drive down to Surrey with a gatling gun and start blazing away at the building?

And if every mum in every house in the burbs had one under their pillow the problem would go away quickly either through crooks getting smarter or attrition.

The mums might be better off keeping their doors and windows locked and having a big dog!

 

[Omicron]

Fortunately 98% of us are, I worry about the other 2%

Actually, it's 3%, or about one in thirty, who are twisted, making it bad for everyone else.

It's truly amazing how just that tiny little bit of rotten-apple can mess things up and make everyone else so uncomfortable and neurotic around each other.

 

[Sal]

Nope, been reading too many history books.


I don't feel I need them to protect myself in my neighborhood, hell I live across the street from 2 RCMP officers. The point to consider though is would you rather have them and not need them, or not have them when you do need them?

It is not time to go out and arm yourself after you suffer a home invasion or car-jacking. After the govt starts rounding up those who speak against them, as is possible under current anti-terrorist legislation, it is too late.

You buy insurance for your car and house and disability, why wouldn't you buy insurance against criminals and oppressive govt?

because I think if your arms are stored correctly they won't help you, period. You are more likely to injure yourself than some attacker because your weapon will be in the locked cupboard unless it is floating around the home...if it is, that's how kids die. If you truly feel you need to carry a weapon in your car or on your person or under your mattress to save you from car jacking and home invasion, then it won't matter what logic I give you, you feel unsafe unless armed. Nothing I can say will make you feel safe. I doubt most Canadian criminals would even carry guns... why would then need to, they won't encounter them in most homes. However once homes all have guns the criminals need them for sure to protect themselves during crimes.

I do not believe most Canadians feel the need to have a gun under their pillow.

Why would you even live here if your desire to be armed 24/7 is that strong. Why not just move south Nick. Why Canada? And why the desire to change the landscape from one of peace to one of people marching to Ottawa carrying guns?

 

[PoliticalNick]

My guns are mostly dismantled and put out of harms way. I suppose there is a chance in 50 that a situation would arise where a gun would come in useful, but it could also be more of a liability than an asset. If you only wounded the guy he might be able to sue you.

Then you aren't using it correctly....dead men don't sue!

I think hunters, target shooters, collectors should be able to own guns without a lot of red tape. People with records of robbery, violence or unstable disposition should NOT be able to own them. That would greatly reduce any gun incidents.

That is precisely the current law. The proposed changes by the anti-gun lobby only affects the hunters and collectors so why make any changes?

 

[Sal]

And if every mum in every house in the burbs had one under their pillow the problem would go away quickly either through crooks getting smarter or attrition.

no more crooks would just carry guns and instead of breaking and entering and leaving they will kill first...just like with the three strike deal... may as well kill them going to do the same amount of time anyway or be killed in the process.

 

[PoliticalNick]

because I think if your arms are stored correctly they won't help you, period.

I'll take the 5th on that. ;-)

You are more likely to injure yourself than some attacker because your weapon will be in the locked cupboard unless it is floating around the home

You don't know me that well...

...if it is, that's how kids die.

My kids learned safety and respect from an early age. I have NO worries about things like that happening.

If you truly feel you need to carry a weapon in your car or on your person or under your mattress to save you from car jacking and home invasion, then it won't matter what logic I give you, you feel unsafe unless armed. Nothing I can say will make you feel safe.

No, I feel pretty safe most of the time, I feel even safer with the ability to end a criminal's career in a heartbeat.

I doubt most Canadian criminals would even carry guns... why would then need to, they won't encounter them in most homes.

Then they will be very surprised in my home, and a lot of other homes in fact.

However once homes all have guns the criminals need them for sure to protect themselves during crimes.

Or maybe they just won't do the crime for fear of getting dead.

I do not believe most Canadians feel the need to have a gun under their pillow.

I agree. I don't feel a need either. I just feel it's better safe than sorry. Like I said....arming yourself after the home invasion is too late.
Why would you even live here if your desire to be armed 24/7 is that strong. Why not just move south Nick. Why

Canada? And why the desire to change the landscape from one of peace to one of people marching to Ottawa carrying guns?

I live here because I am Canadian. I don't want to march on Ottawa armed to the teeth. I just want to be prepared for that if it becomes necessary. I'm surprised you can't understand that. Just like insurance for your car or your house, I have insurance against violent criminals or oppressive, totalitarian govt.

 

[petros]

It does depend on where you live and I have no problem with it when needed, but when mums from the burbs keep them under their pillow for protect, that society has a much larger issue to deal with. We need to deal with that issue.

They need to stop watching the news to shake off the propaganda.

It's a lot safer for kids to play shinny on the street than when I was a kid 35 years ago.

update

You really while ditch weight by eating deer all wintr. it's very lean.

 

[JLM]

Then you aren't using it correctly....dead men don't sue!

Nick, be reasonable, if you were to shoot and kill a thief or a home invader, you'd be charged with murder just as fast as if you had shot the Pope.

That is precisely the current law. The proposed changes by the anti-gun lobby only affects the hunters and collectors so why make any changes?

I fully agree with that but THAT is a far cry from every Mum having a gun under every pillow.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nick, be reasonable, if you were to shoot and kill a thief or a home invader, you'd be charged with murder just as fast as if you had shot the Pope.

And that is the change we need to make to the law, not to take away my guns.

 

[Sal]

I'll take the 5th on that. ;-)

You don't know me that well...

My kids learned safety and respect from an early age. I have NO worries about things like that happening.

No, I feel pretty safe most of the time, I feel even safer with the ability to end a criminal's career in a heartbeat.

Then they will be very surprised in my home, and a lot of other homes in fact.

Or maybe they just won't do the crime for fear of getting dead.

I agree. I don't feel a need either. I just feel it's better safe than sorry. Like I said....arming yourself after the home invasion is too late.
Why would you even live here if your desire to be armed 24/7 is that strong. Why not just move south Nick. Why
I live here because I am Canadian. I don't want to march on Ottawa armed to the teeth. I just want to be prepared for that if it becomes necessary. I'm surprised you can't understand that. Just like insurance for your car or your house, I have insurance against violent criminals or oppressive, totalitarian govt.

LOL on the 5th...

I think it's my age and my life philosophy in general my nature has always been feisty but passive.

I don't like anger or disharmony and I set my environment up to avoid it where possible. I quickly disguard people in my life if balance isn't their quest. My first thought would not be to kill an intruder. Unless my life was directly at risk I personally could not live with myself. I could kill if push came to shove, but it would haunt me regardless of circumstance.
Being raised in a home where my parents came through the war and my dad came from a rough neighbourhood, we had a peaceful and harmonious home, he could fight but always said, it had to be last resort; a man had to use his brain first, fists last it kept him alive while others fell...the last thing they wanted was more violence.

I am the same. If Canada reached a place where we all needed to be armed just to feel safe, I would leave and never look back. But I would be sad we had devolved to that point. I think the higher a society evolves the less need for violence of any type.

 

[JLM]

And that is the change we need to make to the law, not to take away my guns.

Dead wrong Nick, as far as the law is concerned the value of every life has to be equal, otherwise we end up with people taking it upon themselves, evaluating lives. That probably doesn't equate too well with those in favour of capital punishment and of course there are exceptions to every rule.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Dead wrong Nick, as far as the law is concerned the value of every life has to be equal, otherwise we end up with people taking it upon themselves, evaluating lives. That probably doesn't equate too well with those in favour of capital punishment and of course there are exceptions to every rule.

I totally disagree. There is no way I should be charged with murder if I am defending myself, my family or my property. To me that is an innate human right. I am tired of the bleeding hearts who think we should let ourselves be robbed or beaten and the criminals deserve sympathy. Sorry but I have no sympathy and their life is definitely worth less than mine. I contribute to society through actions and taxes and teach my offspring to be responsible & respectful members of society. There is no way a murderer or rapist or robber is of the same value. It is time that is realized and these leeches are dealt with in an immediate and harsh fashion. We can save so much time and money by just allowing people to defend their person and their homes with deadly force.