Wisconsin tribe to protest Redskins name before Packers game

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This should be fun.

When the Redskins take the field in Green Bay Sunday, they'll have to contend with more than a stadium full of Packers fans. Members of the Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin will also be on hand to protest the team name, according to the Green Bay Gazette
“We support effectively removing all race-based stereotypes,” said Barb Munson, a member of the Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin.

Committee member Brandon Stevens says the tribe opposes any characters, mascots, or images portraying Native Americans in a disrespectful manner, and that includes the Redskins name and logo.

“We're actively and proactively creating an avenue of education and seeking out remedies to see how we can come to an understanding where the offender isn't the one dictating what the intent of the mascot is,” Stevens said.

Nine-hundred miles to the east, the Wisconsin tribe's upstate New York counterparts launched a radio campaign calling for the Redskins to change their name.

“We do not deserve to be called Redskins,” an Oneida leader says in the ad. “We deserve to be treated as what we are -- Americans.”

This latest development comes five months after an Associated Press poll found that 79 percent of the 1,004 respondents favored the Redskins keeping their name.

Whether the protests or poll results would have had any bearing on owner Dan Snyder's feelings on the matter is up for debate. But this much is not: The Redskins name is staying put. Forever.

"We will never change the name of the team," Snyder said in May. "As a lifelong Redskins fan, and I think that the Redskins fans understand the great tradition and what it's all about and what it means, so we feel pretty fortunate to be just working on next season."

Even in the face of a federal trademark lawsuit against the team, Snyder remained resolute in his stance. "We'll never change the name," he reiterated. "It's that simple. NEVER -- you can use caps."

Meanwhile, in an email to the AP, the NFL said it “respect(s) that reasonable people may have differing views. The name from its origin has always intended to be positive and has always been used by the team in a highly respectful manner."


Wisconsin tribe to protest Redskins name before Packers game - CBSSports.com

So, the Redskins visit the only NFL city with a significant local Indian presence. The owner, Dan Snyder, won't care, he hasn't been face to face with an American of any race in decades, and he won't be on Sunday. He'll helicopter from the airport to the stadium and back.

Still, this is how it should be. Private actors in the free market. No government coercion.

It's all good.
 

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I (accidentally) debated this with a Redskins fan yesterday (he horned in on a conversation he wasn't invited to). As I understand it, the argument is. . .

1. It's intended to honor Indians (like you honor black people by calling them n*ggers).

2. Indians are obligated to respect the feelings of Redskins fans, but Redskins fans are not obligated to respect the feelings of Indians.

3. Australian aborigines had it rough too (the relevance escapes me, but that's what he said).
 

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I (accidentally) debated this with a Redskins fan yesterday (he horned in on a conversation he wasn't invited to). As I understand it, the argument is. . .

1. It's intended to honor Indians (like you honor black people by calling them n*ggers).

2. Indians are obligated to respect the feelings of Redskins fans, but Redskins fans are not obligated to respect the feelings of Indians.

3. Australian aborigines had it rough too (the relevance escapes me, but that's what he said).

How, exactly, does naming a sports team after an Ethnic group 'degrade it'?:lol:


A 'Redskin"


Sports teams have always reflected 'elemental forces of power and might." or Ethnic divisions. like "Celtics'- Norsemen".
"Vikings' and other terms that imply that white folks are blood thirsty ,err, sapient simians.

Excuse me while I go protest...BTW, the Oneidas ended up in WISCONSIN as part of the 'Beaver Wars'. which makes them "Mingos'....

a Viking
a cow-boy...
 
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How, exactly, does naming a sports team after an Ethnic group 'degrade it'?:lol:
It doesn't. The argument is that giving a sports team a name that is a term that deliberately denigrates the ethnic group in question "degrades it." To Indians, "redskin" is the semantic equivalent of "n*gger."

Sports teams have always reflected 'elemental forces of power and might." or Ethnic divisions. like "Celtics'- Norsemen".
And there are team names like "Indians," "Braves," and "Warriors" that none but the most militant malcontents object to.

"Vikings' and other terms that imply that white folks are blood thirsty ,err, sapient simians.
Viking is not a nationality, it is a profession. This is like saying that the Pittsburgh Pirates or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are offensive to all white people. Argument doesn't hold up.

Excuse me while I go protest...BTW, the Oneidas ended up in WISCONSIN as part of the 'Beaver Wars'. which makes them "Mingos'....
I agree they have plenty of issues that are more worthy of their time and attention.
 

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It doesn't. The argument is that giving a sports team a name that is a term that deliberately denigrates the ethnic group in question "degrades it." To Indians, "redskin" is the semantic equivalent of "n*gger."


And there are team names like "Indians," "Braves," and "Warriors" that none but the most militant malcontents object to.


Viking is not a nationality, it is a profession. This is like saying that the Pittsburgh Pirates or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are offensive to all white people. Argument doesn't hold up.


I agree they have plenty of issues that are more worthy of their time and attention.

So much for 'Better Red than Dead">>as a slogan, then


Seriously there was a 'movement' in the late 1960's the Change the Edmonton Eskimos ' to something else, because "esquimaux" is Iroquois for 'eaters of raw meat' - a pejorative of sorts.
turns out the movement was run out of the U of A student newspaper offices...as a prank.

Change the tribe name to reflect a sport instead of flatware.

Petros you-BOHUNK"
Oh wait, thats - me - too..


Roughriders is a gay slang term, better change the name.

Bluebombers imples depressed people who fumble- oh, wit, that's this season.

BC Lions implies a bunch of 'small cats'

Argonauts implies Greeks can't afford boat motors- wait, that's this year...
 

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WHy. Whites forced them onto the rez in the first place.

Blah blah blah! I'm tired of them all, especially here in Canada. They want all the benefits of free everything from our tax dollars but then want to be a separate nation with their own laws. I say f*ck them! Either you're Canadian and go by the same laws as everyone else, no extra benefits, or you're a separate nation in which case Canada is not required to spend 1 dollar on you in your foreign country other than to put up border crossings around it.
 

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Blah blah blah! I'm tired of them all, especially here in Canada. They want all the benefits of free everything from our tax dollars but then want to be a separate nation with their own laws. I say f*ck them! Either you're Canadian and go by the same laws as everyone else, no extra benefits, or you're a separate nation in which case Canada is not required to spend 1 dollar on you in your foreign country other than to put up border crossings around it.

I understand the feeling but you should have thought of that several hundred years ago before the treaties were made. Unfortunately they are legal and binding agreements.

Concern yourself more about the freebees new immigrants get. Particularly refugees.
 

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I understand the feeling but you should have thought of that several hundred years ago before the treaties were made. Unfortunately they are legal and binding agreements.
Contract law says I cannot be bound by a contract I was not a party to.
Concern yourself more about the freebees new immigrants get. Particularly refugees.
Don't worry, I am all for getting rid of those stupid rules too!
 

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When was the last time anyone actually called an Indian a redskin? And as a derogatory term too.

I thought so.

Native Americans are likely being trolled by lawyers. It's all about the wampum.

What a joke. Complain about something else.
 

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When was the last time anyone actually called an Indian a redskin? And as a derogatory term too.

I thought so.

Native Americans are likely being trolled by lawyers. It's all about the wampum.

What a joke. Complain about something else.


Language changes in meaning for the better as well as the worse. Norseman was originally an early medieval insult- right up there with 'heathen'.