Lesbian high school cheerleader...

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It's a sweet heart deal. I think she's counting on the rampant rationalization of the homosexual lobby that any experimentation, regardless of age or context.. is a positive transgender exploration of a 'victimized minority'.

If convicted of statutory rape will she become a 'registered sex offender'.. which in the U.S. is public list which will follow you around for the rest of your life.


Interesting. I thought you were a 'solid foursquare bible man'.
 

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Interesting. I thought you were a 'solid foursquare bible man'.

I wasn't condoning the deal. I was just commenting of the zeitgiest of the times.. and the hypocrisy of excusing behaviour if it falls under the aegis of an officially designated 'victim' group.
 

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I wasn't condoning the deal. I was just commenting of the zeitgiest of the times.. and the hypocrisy of excusing behaviour if it falls under the aegis of an officially designated 'victim' group.

"zeitgiest of the times" might be a bit oversaid since "zeitgeist" by itself means spirit of the times.
 

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I wasn't condoning the deal. I was just commenting of the zeitgiest of the times.. and the hypocrisy of excusing behaviour if it falls under the aegis of an officially designated 'victim' group.


So what would Jesus do? Quote chapter and Verse. don't waffle on this one...
 

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So what would Jesus do? Quote chapter and Verse. don't waffle on this one...


Jesus would forgive.. provided she fully Confesses her sin.. makes a good Act of Contrition..sais an Our Father and 10 Hail Mary's.. AND casts off and repudiates her homosexuality and commits herself not to sin again. That's not scripture but it is dogma, backed by scripture.

The problem is she thinks she's done absolutely nothing wrong.. and she has an entire social movement with all of its political and judicial tentacles who are supporting her in this self delusion (not to mention her parents).

It's difficult to redeem yourself if you refuse to see the error of your ways.
 
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No sacrament of the Catholic Church is promulgated without exhaustive reference and justification through Scripture. In fact nothing it puts out isn't done as such. Read Francis's first encyclical on Faith (really written by B16 prior to his retirement).. the Church never deems itself an originator.. simply extrapolator and proselytizer of Truth.
 
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Jesus would forgive.. provided she fully Confesses her sin.. makes a good Act of Contrition..sais an Our Father and 10 Hail Mary's.. AND casts off and repudiates her homosexuality and commits herself not to sin again. That's not scripture but it is dogma, backed by scripture.

The problem is she thinks she's done absolutely nothing wrong.. and she has an entire social movement with all of its political and judicial tentacles who are supporting her in this self delusion (not to mention her parents).

It's difficult to redeem yourself if you refuse to see the error of your ways.


Actually:
Jesus would advise her to 'go her way and sin no more'- for adultery which is rather more serious.

Jesus says, “If you hate your brother, if you judge him to be worthless, thinking that the world is a better place without him, then you already have the attitude which lies at the heart of murder.” What is the big problem? It is the mindset which thinks, “Raca [empty one] … You fool!” (Matthew 5:22)
Jesus would advise us to 'keep it out of the courts'
(Matthew 5:25). It seems that no one loves to go to court more than legalists. The Pharisees were the ones who loved the nit picky rules. They loved to go to court. We sometimes hear people say, “I’ll see you in court!” Jesus says, “On your way to court, you’d better settle up quickly.” I have never seen a court of law solve a problem of the heart. Going to court doesn’t facilitate reconciliation

Jesus would advise us to 'resolve it within the community'


L:ittle short on research, there, coldstream...

Italics from https://bible.org/seriespage/avoiding-sin-adultery-matthew-527-30 a pretty conservative site..
 

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Jesus would forgive.. provided she fully Confesses her sin.. makes a good Act of Contrition..sais an Our Father and 10 Hail Mary's.. AND casts off and repudiates her homosexuality and commits herself not to sin again. That's not scripture but it is dogma, backed by scripture.

The problem is she thinks she's done absolutely nothing wrong.. and she has an entire social movement with all of its political and judicial tentacles who are supporting her in this self delusion (not to mention her parents).

It's difficult to redeem yourself if you refuse to see the error of your ways.

So where is lesbianism condemned in the bible?
 

coldstream

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So where is lesbianism condemned in the bible?

and Romans 1... this is some of it..




18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress
the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them,
because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of
the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been
clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;
21 for although they knew God
they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in
their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for
images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.


24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their
hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a
lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is
blessed for ever!



 

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and Romans 1.

THAT passage says nothing abut Lesbianism. It does not demand a 'judicial circus ' for a private affair between female teens.

'Helping Jesus out' is not scriptural.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error

Jesus does condemn adultery, which is what Romans refers to.
 
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Roman 1, verses 26 and 27.. RSV

26. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women
exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the
men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion
for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their
own persons the due penalty for their error.

homosexuality.. not adultery.
 

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Roman 1, verses 26 and 27.. RSV



homosexuality.. not adultery.

ye GOds. You are trying to 'read something into ' Romans that isn't there.



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Romans 1:26-27 ESV / 40 helpful votes

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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Romans 1:24-27 ESV / 32 helpful votes

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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Romans 1:26 ESV / 15 helpful votes

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

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Matthew 19:4-6 ESV / 9 helpful votes

He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

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1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV / 5 helpful votes

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

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Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 1 helpful vote



Male sexual relations are regarded differently form Female sexual relations in Scripture.

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A medieval theologian would have not had the 'Moral Relativism;' that Coldstream assumes. What constitutes an 'unnatural sexual ct' between women is not defined, in scripture, while 'homosexuality' is specifically defined as 'between men."

WHY is a long argument. Suffice to say, that is how it is written. Copulating with a bull mastiff is forbidden in Scripture for women. As is sex outside of marriage, or adultery.
 
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Are we to assume that in the states they do not have a proximity in age law like Canada? If she was 17 it is OK but 18 is a nono?