Catholic Church:Transnational Criminal Organization?

[Goober]

Yup, it's happened.

But, is this the same? Or is this a step forward in the right direction?

See, I've heard a LOT about what present day people are because of people like them who came in the past. For example, 'Indians used to kill eachother, so don't tell me the people on the reserves deserve social service.' 'Mohammed was a pedophile, Muslims are evil.' 'Australia was a penal colony, they're all only one step removed from their past of crime.' 'Germany had Nazis, Germans are just waiting for the chance to repeat history.'

Benedict was a pope most Canadian Catholics I know never embraced. They didn't like his politics, they didn't like his policies, and at a time where they expected better of their church in terms of tackling child abuse, he went backwards. And the end of his term, let's be honest, reflects that fact.

But, this OP is asserting that we are STILL on that path. So, you can't just say 'regardless of the crap in the OP'. You can't point to the past and say it means this pope is doing nothing.

My post was not referring to Francis. In my mind he is bringing change. It was poorly worded.

 

[coldstream]

I don't get it.

The article states that Francis has amended the Vatican code, which was originally based on the 19th Century Italian Civil Code... to include and clearly define sexual violence.. with a penalty of 12 years in prison. It's important to note that this code is operative only in the Vatican City State.. with its 100 acres and few hundred citizens.

Virtually every National Conference of Catholic Bishops has stipulated that reporting of alleged sexual misconduct to police authorities is mandatory.. that all proven claims are to be dealt with by laicization (defrocking) of clerics.. and that bishops who cover up abuse will be terminated from office.. as well as imposing strict oversight and supervision of priest and child interactions at the diocesan level.

It seems these people have an axe to grind.. and looking for any excuse on which to grind it. Whatever the International Common Law Court of Justice in Belgium or these other entities are or represent.. they seem to be some kind of kangaroo court.. looking for a pulpit to spread and anti-Catholic agenda.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I don't get it.

The article states that Francis has amended the Vatican code, which was originally based on the 19th Century Italian Civil Code... to include sexual violence.. with a penalty of 12 years in prison. It's important to note that this code is operative only in the Vatican City State.. and its 100 acres and few hundred citizens.Virtually every National Conference of Catholic Bishops has made reporting of alleged sexual misconduct to politce authorities mandatory.. and all proven claims dealt with laicization (defrocking) of clerics.. as well as imposing strict oversight and supervision of priest and child interactions at the diocesan level.

It seems these people have an axe to grind.. and looking for any excuse on which to grind it.

Let me break it down for you. This soi-disant "International Tribunal on Crimes of Church and State" and "International Common Law Criminal Tribunal" are internet fictions posted by a couple of guys whose grasp on reality ain't real firm.

 

[karrie]

Please protect us from churches running social services. It's fukke dup enough the way the govt. does it now.

I always wondered about CSS, and if they were effective/worthwhile. My friends who are social workers have most of them worked for both gov and CSS, and they say CSS is quite good.

 

[L Gilbert]

Kevin Annett: Roman Catholic Church is declared a Transnational Criminal Organization


On July 11, Pope Francis formally and publicly incited criminal behaviour among all Roman Catholics by prohibiting the reporting of child abuse within his church, and threatening excommunication against those who speak about such abuse.
By his action, the Bishop of Rome, Jorge Bergoglio, faces arrest and indictment as the head of a Criminal Organization, under terms of the United Nations Convention against Transnational Criminal Organizations (2000).
"Pope Francis is telling every Catholic in the world to break the laws of their own country and give aid and comfort to child rapists. That's not simply a grossly immoral act but a war crime, since he's attacking the laws and sovereignty of other nations, and threatening the safety of their people" commented George Dufort, the Belgian-based Secretary of the International Common Law Court of Justice, which successfully prosecuted former Pope Benedict and other Vatican officials last February.

hhmm The witch-hunter hat is on the other head now, huh? Dingbats.

 

[karrie]

I've never understood that. As far as the Catholic church goes, I'm just an outsider observing, but Ratzenburger met with victims of sexual abuse, which Wojtyla never did. Not once. Further, when Ratzenburger was High Inquisitor, he was tough on abusive priests, which again is more than you can say for Wojtyla.

Now, it's none of my business, and I don't care, who or how the Catholics pick to be their team captain, but I think I'm seeing just a touch of the halo effect for Wojtyla (in this case, literally) when Ratzenburger, while maybe not the most inspirational quarterback the Catholics ever had, was better on the sex abuse thing.

Meh. The guy who has to follow a superstar never gets any love.

Meeting with victims is equivalent to ratifying new stiffer laws? Well, colour me impressed.

 

[darkbeaver]

Nothing to it, only 100 acres. That's a lot of tiny graves.