No. By law a man has no say in the medical care of a mentally competent pregnant woman. And they know that going in. So they should know damn well to keep it in their pants. Social problem solved in one ridiculous statement, right?
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No. By law a man has no say in the medical care of a mentally competent pregnant woman. And they know that going in. So they should know damn well to keep it in their pants. Social problem solved in one ridiculous statement, right?
so, again, it's all about the woman..the hell with the man.
would be nice if equal rights were afforded.
Equal rights are afforded. I have no say over my husband's medical care, or his fertility. He can do whatever he wants with his jibbly bits and I get no say.
The medical issue is separate from the social issue. The medical issue is cut and dry, out of necessity.
The SOCIAL issue, is complex, and you make it even worse when you boil it down so simply to 'women just need to keep their legs together'. In fact, making all about blaming women for unplanned pregnancies is a HUGE part of what feeds the stigma, that drives women to sneak away in shame for an abortion, rather than owning up to the fact that they got pregnant (something they didn't do on their own).
They are. No-one has any right over anyone else's health unless they are incompetent to make their own decisions. What didn'tcha get about that?
yep. There's nothing forcing a guy to stick his pickle (wifey's term) in. Guy doesn't wanna be a dad, he should keep his zipper shut. Guy wants to be a dad, he should find someone else that wants his kid.
What medical issue? She's pregnant, she doesn't have a disease.She is carrying another human being. Abortion KILLS that new life. She isn't being "cured" of sweet piss all.
and maybe, just maybe, if we made it illegal to KILL the baby and include VERY stiff jail terms for KILLING that baby, people would take more responsibility for where they stick their pickle or who's pickle they allow in their jar.
My husband's vasectomy was no more of a medical issue than an abortion, and I had no say. Docs didn't give me a vote. They didn't check to see if I was done having a kid. So don't pretend reproductive issues aren't medical issues, or that men are under one rule and women under another.
The medical side of it is a no-mans land.... you don't get a say in your wife's need for an abortion, a ligation, a hysterectomy, nothing, and she doesn't get a say in your reproductive choices, when it comes down to the medical legality of it.
Trying to abolish abortion from the legal end is backwards. There is no way to rid ourselves of the medical need for an abortion, when we leave the social need for it intact. And the social need for it doesn't vanish with accusations and ignorance.
There is no comparison between a vasectomy, which only effects him, and an abortion which KILLS another human.
It's what you people don't seem to get, you are KILLING another human, for no better reason than selfishness, for the most part.
and the only "social" need for an abortion, is selfishness.
It's what you people don't seem to get, you are KILLING another human, for no better reason than selfishness, for the most part.
and the only "social" need for an abortion, is selfishness.
'you people'. Give me a break. I've stated more than once.... excusing abortion at the 'before 20 week' stage, when it's still just as human as after 20 weeks, but the abortion is bound to be about convenience, is despicable. It's a human. The only time it is 'excusable' in my books, is when it saves the mother's life. That's a social stance I don't hesitate to share.
BUT. The sad reality is that the shame is so high (she should have just kept her legs shut) with an unplanned, less than ideal pregnancy, that it really honestly does put women at risk of suicide. It puts those babies at risk of dying slow, painful, horrid deaths inside of mothers whose bodies are failing from overdoses and botched abortions.
Attacking the social root of the issue is the only way to really, truly address the issue. And honestly Gerry, your attitude toward women is a picture perfect example of the core of the problem.
That is a medical reason, NOT social.
My attitude toward women heh..... what part do you object to... the fact that my main argument is that responsibility needs to be taken for ones actions and killing the baby is NOT responsible? That adoption is a viable option?
You don't think pregnancy is a medical issue? Really? roflmao
I wonder why people bother going to hospitals, clinics, and places that practise medical procedures so they can deliver babies then.
That's frackin funny! You get a greenie for giving me my first laugh of the day.
You know damn well it's the 'all she needs to do is close her legs' bull**** you like to spout.
The scenario you paint where dads are pining over unplanned pregnancies while women heartlessly abort, is rare. Often an unplanned pregnancy results in accusations of entrapment, threats of abandonment, and downright demands that women abort, from the would be fathers. There aren't hordes of women aborting despite supportive, stable men being present in their lives, begging to raise their children and support them. So saying 'women just need to....', is total bunk and you know it. The social issue goes beyond women keeping their knees together. Pretending it doesn't, fuels the issue.
Wrong. They are both medical issues.
Wrong again. I guess you can't figure out the difference between a future human or a potential human from a complete human. Pretty sad.
To a point. It depends on what the society deems to be "need".
Right.
Oh? You mean abstinence won't solve the problem?
wrong
what's pretty sad is how you and your sick ilk try to differentiate.
Just because "society" deems something to be a "need" does not make it right.
wrong.
Abstinence would absolutely solve the problem. Men should keep their ****s in their pants if they aren't in a stable relationship with a stable woman.
The issue I take with your rhetoric is your assertion that WOMEN ought to be abstinent. No onus on the men to be responsible. No onus on men to support their oopses. When you know damn well one of the big reasons women abort is lack of support. The men who've walked out, or TOLD them to go to the clinic. So give me a break with the 'she should keep her knees together' bull.
It might. It's extremely unlikely you can get the planet's people to abstain from having sex for fun, though.
Evidence? Look, you "sick ilk" (to use your term), human health is a medical issue. Pregnancy affects female humans' health. Get over it.
Sorry, germy, saw the doc recently. Fit as a fiddle.
Right according to whose standards? Yours or society's? I'm betting you think you're right and society isn't. Too bad for you.
Evidence?
I'm The 14-Year-Old Who Wrote The "Jesus Isn't A D i c k So Keep Him Out of My V a g i n a" Sign In Texas And Was Labeled A "W h o r e" By Strangers Online
My dad came to my defense online, but for the first time I am outing myself publicly. I'm 14. Please stop calling me a w h o r e.
Jane's story
*additional link to story: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/24/...ing-jesus-isnt-a-d-keep-him-out-of-my-******/
My dad came to my defense online, but for the first time I am outing myself publicly. I'm 14. Please stop calling me a w h o r e.
Jane's story
*additional link to story: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/24/...ing-jesus-isnt-a-d-keep-him-out-of-my-******/
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