What about an abortion nutbar? Although I don't subscribe to Gerryh's point of view I would hardly call him a nutbar. I don't see how wanting to preserve life is nutty.
Texas Republicans on verge of passing abortion law
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What about an abortion nutbar? Although I don't subscribe to Gerryh's point of view I would hardly call him a nutbar. I don't see how wanting to preserve life is nutty.
Anything after 20 weeks should be a no no...................UNLESS.............mama's life is in danger.
The theory that a woman should have to carry till term no matter what cuts no ice with me.
Preserving life is definitely not nutty.
From the OP's link: "The proposal would ban abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy, restrict where and when women can take abortion-inducing medications, require doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals, limit abortions to surgical centers, stipulate doctors must monitor even non-surgical abortions."
No abortions after 20 weeks, restricting women's choices as to where and when they can take abortion meds, and I can see some hospitals not granting admission privileges for abortion patients.
Firstly; there are occasions when abortions after 20 weeks is medically necessary for the safety of the women, their babies, or both.
Secondly; restricting women to go to medical centers to take abortion meds will cause some women unaffordable medical costs (the USA has the highest costs for access to medicine and medical treatments in the world). I can see the rate of back alley abortions rising.
Thirdly; I can see some hospitals not granting admission privileges for doctors that have abortion patients. Again, I can see more back alley abortions happening.
No abortions after 20 weeks, restricting women's choices as to where and when they can take abortion meds, and I can see some hospitals not granting admission privileges for abortion patients.
Firstly; there are occasions when abortions after 20 weeks is medically necessary for the safety of the women, their babies, or both.
Secondly; restricting women to go to medical centers to take abortion meds will cause some women unaffordable medical costs (the USA has the highest costs for access to medicine and medical treatments in the world). I can see the rate of back alley abortions rising.
Thirdly; I can see some hospitals not granting admission privileges for doctors that have abortion patients. Again, I can see more back alley abortions happening.
Firstly, preform an abortion for the safety of the baby? Really? In other words, kill it for it's own good? roflmao
Secondly, the reasoning is for the womens safety, side effects etc. Unless you think so little of these women that you feel giving them meds that WILL induce an abortion, and sending them on their way all on their own is just hunky dory.
Thirdly, if the doctor you are using to abort the baby either medically or surgically does not have priviliges at the nearest hospital, what would you propose happen when and if something goes wrong with the procedure he/she is performing and monitoring? Shove them in a cab and tell the woman "good luck"?
Obviously you've never had any experience with a baby that has anecephalitis or a couple other nasty things. These kids have a very agonizing, short life. So yuk it up, Mr. Self-righteous.
Is it? Considering the kind of crap those senators were spewing about women who get abortions, you're in dreamland.
That's your thought, not mine.
Or how about the woman gets discouraged and goes finds someone who doesn't need to have hospital privileges; like a back alley abortionist? You really think her doctor will monitor her 24/7 while he finds a hospital that will allow him privileges? We are talking about Texas hospitals here. Texas isn't exactly the most secular state around and isn't shy about showing biases.
Gerry, you see one side and one side only, regardless of other circumstances. Religious zealotry will do that.
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The idea is for him/her to have the privileges in the first place. Not find out after the fact that her doctor has to use a hospital that is 2 or 3 hours down the road from where they are.
As far as I am concerned, the state of texas is going to far to appease murderers. If the woman doesn't want to get pregnant, then she can keep her damn legs closed. Period. No more problem.
but, I know that is unreasonable..... the idea of anyone taking responsibility for their actions or having some self control is just ridiculous.
Considering that you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, reference this as the woman's problem, the woman's fault, and the woman's responsibility, you negate the idea of responsibility, because you completely ignore the role men play in an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy.
Does a man have ANY say in what happens to that baby? Any? If the woman wants an abortion can he say no? I want to raise my child? Can he? No, he can't. He has no say what so fu cking ever. When that happens, when the man has actual input into what happens to HIS child, then I will change my tune. Untill then, then it IS the woman's responsibility. It is HER desision to murder that child and no one elses.!!!!!!!
Really? Is that what those senators were thinking?
Yeah abstinence is the answer, alright .......... from someone living in dreamland. Tell me, Gerry, have you never had sex for fun? Has your wife ever become pregnant on purpose and then something went horribly wrong? Ever become unintentionally pregnant?
There's that, too.
Heh-heh. "Input." Heh-heh.
His "input" was how the little blastocyst got there in the first place.
He can not take his **** out of his pants until he's in a stable relationship. Same as she can not open her legs.
IF that's true in Texas, then it should be changed rather than some moronic, religiously zealous pile of crap that this bill is.
Oh, yeah but it's ALL up to the woman, don'tcha know.
all she has to say is no. You women go on and on about "your body", then take responsibility for it from the get go. You don't want to get pregnant, then say no.
and if the guy has no problem with an unplanned pregnancy? If he is willing to take responsibility for that happening? Does he get a say?
That depends on the woman. I've seen guys get a say, yes. I've seen them take sole custody of a child a woman never planned or wanted. Just make sure you know what kind of human being you're sticking your **** in.
Guys suddenly turn dumb if their partner gets pregnant? Can't ask, "hey, honey, I'd like to keep the kid, do you mind?"? Or at least, "Can we talk about this?"
Where? I'd imagine laws vary from place to place.