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Goober

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You should come over to this thread Goobs: Way too little way too late

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I try to be impartial. I do not always succed - But as I have stated time after time- No one hangs a Cons better than a Con.
So many Libs- NDP slam the National Post but I find they are more impartial than the Globe & Mail.

Great article from Andrew. Some snippets

Conservative government’s culture of expediency behind multiplying scandals | Full Comment | National Post

Tuesday had a whiff of revolution about it. A Question Period that actually produced real questions! The Senate internal economy committee, meeting in public! For the first time in who knows how long, there was a sense that somewhere, someone in Ottawa might be held to account for their actions.

Don’t get too excited. We are a long way from true accountability. Question Period can be a useful instrument, particularly as it seems to be one of the few means of getting anyone to go on the record nowadays. But its ability to get at the truth remains distinctly limited, even when led by as skilled an interrogator as Tom Mulcair.

what Mike Duffy was up to — it raised as many questions. Why did the committee only catch these now, and not before, when it signed off on a much more, shall we say, discreet accounting of his misdeeds? Indeed, it appears he was caught, time and again, by Senate staff, who disallowed many of his claims — yet no penalty followed, nor were any flags raised. Why not?

Neither should too much importance be attached to the committee’s decision to refer the whole business to the RCMP. The force does not actually have to wait for an invitation from a Senate committee to investigate matters of alleged fraud. The suspicion lingers that, at least on the government side, senators were only too happy to be able to say “it’s with the police now, I can’t comment,” much as, in the Commons, the ethics commissioner’s investigation has served as a convenient excuse for ministers to evade questions.

Which may suggest the real stakes here. The government’s multiplying, metastasizing scandals — from Duffy’s improper expense claims to the efforts, apparently coordinated between the Prime Minister’s Office and senior Tory Senators, to cover these up, to the robocalls affair, to the arrest on charges of fraud and money laundering of Arthur Porter, the prime minister’s choice for chairman of the Security Intelligence Review Committee — are not, in my view, wholly unrelated. Rather, they stem from a culture that has taken root among the Conservative hierarchy — a culture of expediency.

But you can’t spin your way out of something you spun yourself into. If you are generally perceived as devious and duplicitous, more deviousness and duplicity are not going to help. Only transparency and honesty can. But, as I’ve said before, if that were what this government were about, we wouldn’t be here.
 

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I try to be impartial. I do not always succed - But as I have stated time after time- No one hangs a Cons better than a Con.

It is what it is buddy.... Fact is, politicians are their own worst enemy - regardless of political stripe... And that's what I'm trying to drive home on this.

Honestly, members, appointments, associates, et al from every political party have fallen from grace many times over the years. It's an unfortunate fact of the human experience, let alone politics... With that in mind, hang the bastards as they deserve, but this incessant whimpering about pinning all the blame on one individual, that had no direct role in the circumstance, gets real tiring, real quick.

Anywho - just my opinion
 

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Well Mulcair has moved the NDP closer to the center- Trudeau has not impressed me so far. Mulcair has in some ways.

Trudeau got an initial bump after the leadership election (as did Mulcair), but his popularity looks to be much better and more .. "sustainable" than Mulcair's. I prefer Mulcair, but the people are speaking - and dat youth symbolism could be a launching pad for a Liberal majority next election.
 

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I don't see why the sudden pick on Harper thing. It is like a few people, mostly on the left just discovered we have a government run by pigs. Exactly as it has been for at least 150 years. Only the names have changed. And our instant access to information.
 

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I don't see why the sudden pick on Harper thing.
Hardly sudden. I've hated the bastards since even before they stole their current identity off the warm corpse of the PC.

It is like a few people, mostly on the left just discovered we have a government run by pigs. Exactly as it has been for at least 150 years. Only the names have changed.
I would call that an over-generalization, even though there is a verity at its core. We've had some okay governments in my lifetime - none as good as i would have liked, but i do believe some progress was made in human rights and welfare.

And our instant access to information.
I might even contend - though not with sufficient passi0on to go digging up stats - that our access to information has sometimes been more reliable.