‘The justice system failed her’: Nova Scotia teenager commits suicide after being rap
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But my point is if they or anyone else publishes it on the web and it's false info, then what? No harm, no foul? Understand my issue is not whether or not the information is obtained illegally, it's about the trustworthiness of the people who are obtaining the info.
I understand and agree with your nobility, but I think you are missing one point. The "exercise" is to get the guilty perpetrators behind bars, anyone else's reputation is secondary and what is most important is that no innocent lives are at risk. I'd rat the bastards out the safest way. It's the deceased victim we are concerned about, not being particularly heroic ourselves. It just takes an anonymous note containing substantiated information dropped in a mail box.
I stood by the truth of my convictions on a number of occasions when I was in the Army- a few were up against Senior Officers- Always paid a price- The last time it cost me my career, my livelihood and repercussions for years.
So I have been there, done that and paid the price to many times.
No it has nothing to do with being noble, it has to do with the trustworthiness of the information. If I were to make public information like this anonymously, how could you trust that I'm being truthful when you don't even know who I am? Maybe I'm naming someone that I have a grudge against. Remember that thread about the woman who had run a daycare in Alberta who was found to have been falsely accused of abuse? Now, that was not done anonymously but just look at the havoc that was wrought by those lies? How much easier would it be for someone to lie, to fabricate "evidence" and put it out for the public to see, where it can never be taken back, if it was anonymous? You say that
and that's exactly my point. How vilified would someone be should they be named as a culprit? And what if, just what if, it wasn't them? At least by coming forward, publicly, you're "putting your money where you mouth is" so to speak.
I hope I'm never put in such a situation of such importance. But I think, well I know, that if I was, I'd have to follow my conscience. You understand why.
I think the cost of not following my conscience could be far worse than anything I could possibly lose. I know it might not feel that way, but I do believe that ultimately that is the case.
Could they?
I think, given that Anon was outright enough to tell the cops they would publish the info before actually publishing the info indicates that they can be trusted to a certain extent and that the 4 boys are likely not as adept at hiding themselves online as Anon is at tracking sources, then I'd make a large bet the info is accurate.
I think on this subject you and I have to agree to disagree. First we know we are honest, truthful people, so we can put out the knowledge knowing our part is done. Without identifying yourself it is still possible to convey information to confirm the veracity of what you are disclosing. I think the case of the daycare woman in Alberta gives credence to what I say............you can Identify yourself and still be lying.
If they publish details, documents etc. they will lay it out in an A B C manner. No room for doubt - the trail will be like breadcrumbs, easily followed - They are like any group- Interested in their public persona and how John or Joanne Q Public looks and judges them.
Your right on I don't consider SLM's any better or worse than mine, we both have to go about it in the way we can live with. I'm not too respectful of violent criminals rights but I am respectful of my own hide, so I would turn the bastards in in a Hollywood minute anonymously.
What a surprise.
Wonder how long their initial investigation was.
Rehtaeh Parsons: RCMP reopens investigation into alleged gang rape of Nova Scotia teenager | Canada | News | National Post
Nova Scotia RCMP announced Thursday they would reopen their investigation into the alleged rape of Rehtaeh Parsons, a teenager who later took her own life, citing “new and credible information.”
The person who provided the new information is willing to verify who they are, the reason they’re providing it and is willing to work with investigators, police said. They wouldn’t say whether or not that person is a witness.
I want to stress that the information didn’t come from an online source,” said RCMP spokesman Cpl. Scott McRae. “That’s important because we can’t accept reports through social media because how do we verify it? What do we do with it?”
The girl’s family says Parsons, 17, hanged herself last week and was taken off life-support on Sunday, following months of bullying after she was allegedly sexually assaulted by four boys in 2011 ,and a photo of the incident was circulated online.
Police did not lay charges after the RCMP sought the advice of the Crown, which claimed there was “insufficient evidence” for a reasonable chance of a conviction.
Wonder how long their initial investigation was.
Rehtaeh Parsons: RCMP reopens investigation into alleged gang rape of Nova Scotia teenager | Canada | News | National Post
Nova Scotia RCMP announced Thursday they would reopen their investigation into the alleged rape of Rehtaeh Parsons, a teenager who later took her own life, citing “new and credible information.”
The person who provided the new information is willing to verify who they are, the reason they’re providing it and is willing to work with investigators, police said. They wouldn’t say whether or not that person is a witness.
I want to stress that the information didn’t come from an online source,” said RCMP spokesman Cpl. Scott McRae. “That’s important because we can’t accept reports through social media because how do we verify it? What do we do with it?”
The girl’s family says Parsons, 17, hanged herself last week and was taken off life-support on Sunday, following months of bullying after she was allegedly sexually assaulted by four boys in 2011 ,and a photo of the incident was circulated online.
Police did not lay charges after the RCMP sought the advice of the Crown, which claimed there was “insufficient evidence” for a reasonable chance of a conviction.
The RCMP and authorities have bungled this and are continuing to bungle this. I can think of over a dozen charges that could be in play here--for the rape, for distributing the pictures. Anonymous played a vital role here in firing up the media and backing the Nove Scotia government into a corner and forcing them to re-investigate.
I'm not a fan of vigilantism, but, as a Vancouverite, I did support posting photographs of the Canuck rioters from a couple of years ago on Facebook. If you posted, say, a cell-phone copy of a picture taken of the (alleged) rape along with details as to who sent it and when, is that vigilantism? I don't think so, especially if you concurrently notify the police. Now if you subsequently go knee-cap the guy who you thik is responsible--that's being a vigilante. One is knowledge, the other is violence.
I'm not a fan of vigilantism, but, as a Vancouverite, I did support posting photographs of the Canuck rioters from a couple of years ago on Facebook. If you posted, say, a cell-phone copy of a picture taken of the (alleged) rape along with details as to who sent it and when, is that vigilantism? I don't think so, especially if you concurrently notify the police. Now if you subsequently go knee-cap the guy who you thik is responsible--that's being a vigilante. One is knowledge, the other is violence.
Posting the photo would also show the young girl. Possession and posting it would be classed as child porn. But i do see your point.
There are more than 4 teens involved after this despicable crime. Perhaps we may learn more about this.
