‘The justice system failed her’: Nova Scotia teenager commits suicide after being rap

[JLM]

Huh? Trudeau didn't invent "innocent until proven guilty". It's not a new concept at all actually.

You got a point there, but I would imagine with all the pictures on the net everyone in the Maritimes knows who the culprits are. I know, David Milgaard and several others come to mind and it's only natural not to want to see an innocent man jeoparized, but on the other hand there are dozens of people not getting justice either.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The justice system failed her, there's not much better evidence than photograghs and I would think it's pretty hard to rape a girl without leaving some D.N.A. and Voila you got the little bastards, then while they are waiting trial you confine them with the general prison population. Of course it just takes a corrupt defence lawyer to f**k that up. The old West had a better system for a lot of this sh*t.

Define "corrupt defence lawyer."

Or let me. I'm gonna go with "one who ably defends someone JLM thinks is guilty."

Sound about right?

 

[JLM]

Define "corrupt defence lawyer."

Or let me. I'm gonna go with "one who ably defends someone JLM thinks is guilty."

Sound about right?

I actually have no idea who it is who is guilty, first I heard of the story was today. I gather there there are witnesses, photograghs and D.N.A. - enough for an investigation to begin.

 

[WLDB]

I actually have no idea who it is who is guilty, first I heard of the story was today. I gather there there are witnesses, photograghs and D.N.A. - enough for an investigation to begin.

DNA from rape would have to be taken pretty quickly. It wouldnt stay on/in the victim for very long.

I havent seen the picture and have no desire to. I havent read a description of it either. We dont know if it was clear enough or showed enough of the attacker to identify him.

Still, it looks like they gave up too quickly.

I'm loathe to paint all kids with one brush, and in fact I know many kids are kind, supportive and loving people but this indifference and complacency seems to be growing. That's the part that I just cannot understand.

Ive noticed that trend as well and also dont understand it. Not just in kids. Ive noticed it in people my age and older. Its probably always been there to some degree. The 24 hour news cycle and the internet are probably contributing to it. The public at large is getting used to violence. Every day there are news stories on murders, accidents resulting in death or a disaster in some part of the world. After awhile people get used to it. My room mates response to the Newtown shooting was a shrug and indifference. I asked why and he said "Happens every day somewhere." He's right but I don't understand the indifference. The fact that this stuff does happen every day should make it that much more disturbing.

 

[SLM]

ve noticed that trend as well and also dont understand it. Not just in kids. Ive noticed it in people my age and older. Its probably always been there to some degree. The 24 hour news cycle and the internet are probably contributing to it. The public at large is getting used to violence. Every day there are news stories on murders, accidents resulting in death or a disaster in some part of the world. After awhile people get used to it. My room mates response to the Newtown shooting was a shrug and indifference. I asked why and he said "Happens every day somewhere." He's right but I don't understand the indifference. The fact that this stuff does happen every day should make it that much more disturbing.

It's like cynicism has jumped to a whole new and very disturbing level.

 

[CanIrish]

the failure of the justice system is one thing, but it more of the failure of modern parenting which allows for kids to post such nasty messages. It happens time and time again.

 

[Goober]

Rehtaeh Parson suicide: Anonymous threatens to out boys involved in rape | Canada | News | National Post

The “hacktivist” organization Anonymous says it knows the identities of at least two of the four boys involved in the alleged gang rape of Rehtaeh Parsons and are threatening to release their names and locations unless the RCMP charges them.

“Our demands are simple: We want the N.S. RCMP to take immediate legal action against the individuals in question. We encourage you to act fast. If we were able to locate these boys within 2 hours, it will not be long before someone else finds them,” the Anonymous group working under the name “Operation Justice For Rehtaeh” said in a Wednesday press release.

The group initially said they knew the names of two of the four boys, but within 30 minutes said on Twitter it knew the names of all of the alleged perpetrators.

“We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. What we want is justice. And that’s your job. So do it.”

 

[SLM]

Rehtaeh Parson suicide: Anonymous threatens to out boys involved in rape | Canada | News | National Post

The “hacktivist” organization Anonymous says it knows the identities of at least two of the four boys involved in the alleged gang rape of Rehtaeh Parsons and are threatening to release their names and locations unless the RCMP charges them.

“Our demands are simple: We want the N.S. RCMP to take immediate legal action against the individuals in question. We encourage you to act fast. If we were able to locate these boys within 2 hours, it will not be long before someone else finds them,” the Anonymous group working under the name “Operation Justice For Rehtaeh” said in a Wednesday press release.

The group initially said they knew the names of two of the four boys, but within 30 minutes said on Twitter it knew the names of all of the alleged perpetrators.

“We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. What we want is justice. And that’s your job. So do it.”

That's the kind of crap that absolutely does not need to be happening. I would no more trust Anonymous to get it right than I would a psychic! What if they're wrong? Goodness knows, that can easily happen and it's not like they're accountable to anyone.

 

[Goober]

That's the kind of crap that absolutely does not need to be happening. I would no more trust Anonymous to get it right than I would a psychic! What if they're wrong? Goodness knows, that can easily happen and it's not like they're accountable to anyone.

Reports were these rape photos were posted and sent to various people, handed around like a person would a greeting card - Once on the net it is there forever. Along with a list of who sent what to whom.
Add in the messaging, emails and such.
Every email account they ever had would be up for breaking open.
Seems pretty easy to ID people.

 

[L Gilbert]

DNA from rape would have to be taken pretty quickly. It wouldnt stay on/in the victim for very long.

Depends. If any foreign DNA managed to find its way into the girl, it would spread and there'd be at least two different sets of DNA in the girl and although some may be expelled quite rapidly some wouldn't (like that in the hair or bone tissue, for instance). The problem usually lies in the amount of foreign DNA available.

Still, it looks like they gave up too quickly.

Seems that way to me, too.

 

[SLM]

Reports were these rape photos were posted and sent to various people, handed around like a person would a greeting card - Once on the net it is there forever. Along with a list of who sent what to whom.
Add in the messaging, emails and such.
Every email account they ever had would be up for breaking open.
Seems pretty easy to ID people.

I don't disagree that it should be easy enough but I still don't like the idea of them getting involved. I don't trust them. They could do whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted for any reason they wanted.

 

[L Gilbert]

Rehtaeh Parson suicide: Anonymous threatens to out boys involved in rape | Canada | News | National Post

The “hacktivist” organization Anonymous says it knows the identities of at least two of the four boys involved in the alleged gang rape of Rehtaeh Parsons and are threatening to release their names and locations unless the RCMP charges them.

“Our demands are simple: We want the N.S. RCMP to take immediate legal action against the individuals in question. We encourage you to act fast. If we were able to locate these boys within 2 hours, it will not be long before someone else finds them,” the Anonymous group working under the name “Operation Justice For Rehtaeh” said in a Wednesday press release.

The group initially said they knew the names of two of the four boys, but within 30 minutes said on Twitter it knew the names of all of the alleged perpetrators.

“We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. What we want is justice. And that’s your job. So do it.”

Cool.

That's the kind of crap that absolutely does not need to be happening. I would no more trust Anonymous to get it right than I would a psychic! What if they're wrong? Goodness knows, that can easily happen and it's not like they're accountable to anyone.

Actually, adept hackers can trace things on the net to their sources quite easily.
As a matter of fact, it's quite possible to identify people in a short period of time just from them using their cells.
Study shows how easy it is to determine someone's identity with cell phone data

I don't disagree that it should be easy enough but I still don't like the idea of them getting involved. I don't trust them. They could do whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted for any reason they wanted.

Would it make you feel better if they were gov't approved (like cops, for instance)? lol

 

[Goober]

I don't disagree that it should be easy enough but I still don't like the idea of them getting involved. I don't trust them. They could do whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted for any reason they wanted.

I had mentioned earlier all who had failed this young girl. Outing them, teachers, police, parents, the perpetrators and all the others that received, passed on the photos, made such insensitive comments, chased her and constantly at that, down the road to mental illness and eventual suicide. I say Fum em all. Each and every one.
I do not give a tinkers damn if they were are 15 or 45. Shame the bastards.

Do I sound like I would willingly post the info if I had. Damn right. But I would offer them a chance to fess up fully and publicly -with a clear caveat - forget any details of your involvement or downplay your part, assign blame to another and it all becomes public.

Just my opinion

 

[SLM]

Would it make you feel better if they were gov't approved (like cops, for instance)? lol

It would make me feel better if they were accountable. Anonymous is not some gallant knight riding in on a white horse to save the day. Nobody should be naming someone as a criminal (I don't even care if they are a criminal or not) who won't at least place their own name and face in the public eye.

I had mentioned earlier all who had failed this young girl. Outing them, teachers, police, parents, the perpetrators and all the others that received, passed on the photos, made such insensitive comments, chased her and constantly at that, down the road to mental illness and eventual suicide. I say Fum em all. Each and every one.
I do not give a tinkers damn if they were are 15 or 45. Shame the bastards.

Do I sound like I would willingly post the info if I had. Damn right. But I would offer them a chance to fess up fully and publicly -with a clear caveat - forget any details of your involvement or downplay your part, assign blame to another and it all becomes public.

Just my opinion

Would you do it anonymously or would you have the courage of your convictions to stand up, publicly, and do what you feel is right?

 

[L Gilbert]

It would make me feel better if they were accountable. Anonymous is not some gallant knight riding in on a white horse to save the day. Nobody should be naming someone as a criminal (I don't even care if they are a criminal or not) who won't at least place their own name and face in the public eye.



Would you do it anonymously or would you have the courage of your convictions to stand up, publicly, and do what you feel is right?

How many names and faces of cyber cops (the RCMP actually do have them) do you know?

 

[Goober]

It would make me feel better if they were accountable. Anonymous is not some gallant knight riding in on a white horse to save the day. Nobody should be naming someone as a criminal (I don't even care if they are a criminal or not) who won't at least place their own name and face in the public eye.



Would you do it anonymously or would you have the courage of your convictions to stand up, publicly, and do what you feel is right?

Good question. Legalities involved by hacking accounts- fines, jail, civil suits. Lose everything I have. I have no intention of going down in flames for these scumsuckers.

I would be anonymous. But I would ensure the info was accurate.


Now what would you do if you had all this information, gathered illegally.

 

[SLM]

How many names and faces of cyber cops (the RCMP actually do have them) do you know?

You know full well that's not the same thing. While we may not know them personally, we can have some assurance they have some training in the law and they're not just some thirty something dude who never moved out of Mom's basement but happens to be adept with a computer.

Good question. Legalities involved by hacking accounts- fines, jail, civil suits. Lose everything I have. I have no intention of going down in flames for these scumsuckers.

I would be anonymous. But I would ensure the info was accurate.

Well that's great for you but how can anyone else have any confidence that it's accurate?

Now what would you do if you had all this information, gathered illegally.

You probably won't believe me but I'd take my chances with a public declaration. If I've gathered information illegally, then I've committed a crime and what I do with the information is on my conscience.

Often times the right thing is not the easy thing. But if it is the easy thing how can anybody else possible trust that it's right?

 

[Goober]

You know full well that's not the same thing. While we may not know them personally, we can have some assurance they have some training in the law and they're not just some thirty something dude who never moved out of Mom's basement but happens to be adept with a computer.



Well that's great for you but how can anyone else have any confidence that it's accurate?

You probably won't believe me but I'd take my chances with a public declaration. If I've gathered information illegally, then I've committed a crime and what I do with the information is on my conscience.

Often times the right thing is not the easy thing. But if it is the easy thing how can anybody else possible trust that it's right?

OK the mysterious package arrives- you open it- pages upon pages of emails, photos and all the details. This information shows the photos, who sent them, who took them, the comments that chased her.
This information after you have read and read again is completely in disagreement with what is in the public realm. Complete contradiction of what has been stated by the Police, the Crown and the Schools. Yes it includes govt Docs as well.
Now you know this information was gathered illegally.

What do you do with it?

 

[SLM]

OK the mysterious package arrives- you open it- pages upon pages of emails, photos and all the details. This information shows the photos, who sent them, who took them, the comments that chased her.
This information after you have read and read again is completely in disagreement with what is in the public realm. Complete contradiction of what has been stated by the Police, the Crown and the Schools. Yes it includes govt Docs as well.
Now you know this information was gathered illegally.

What do you do with it?

Are we assuming that I don't question what's before me here? That I can somehow magically verify the validity of what I see before me? Is this the scenario? Because in all honesty, that would be my first question is how do I know that it's legit? If it's not, and I went public with it, lives could be ruined needlessly.

But let's start with that assumption, that's it's completely 100% legit and I'm going forward. The main thing is, I would not do so anonymously. Period, end of story. The victim's name is not anonymous, why should mine be? If I'm going to stand up for something that important, then I'm going to stand up for it all the way. And damn the consequences because I'm not afraid of the difficult path.

 

[Goober]

Are we assuming that I don't question what's before me here? That I can somehow magically verify the validity of what I see before me? Is this the scenario? Because in all honesty, that would be my first question is how do I know that it's legit? If it's not, and I went public with it, lives could be ruined needlessly.

But let's start with that assumption, that's it's completely 100% legit and I'm going forward. The main thing is, I would not do so anonymously. Period, end of story. The victim's name is not anonymous, why should mine be? If I'm going to stand up for something that important, then I'm going to stand up for it all the way. And damn the consequences because I'm not afraid of the difficult path.

And on that we differ. We can banter scenarios back and forth but I understand and have the utmost respect for your stance on this issue.

I would act differently.