Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

[SLM]

You can choose your nurse or doctor on the basis of gender.

How is race any different?

Wasn't aware that you had the right to do that. My understanding was that they can be accommodating on a gender selection if they so choose and if it doesn't cause difficulty, but it's not a right.


Honestly it wouldn't occur to me to even ask such a thing anyway.

 

[CDNBear]

Wasn't aware that you had the right to do that. My understanding was that they can be accommodating on a gender selection if they so choose and if it doesn't cause difficulty, but it's not a right.

The only time I can see it not being a consideration, is when there is implied consent.

Honestly it wouldn't occur to me to even ask such a thing anyway.

It wouldn't occur to most people. But some people are more comfortable with same gender attending to them.

 

[SLM]

The only time I can see it not being a consideration, is when there is implied consent.

I'm really tired tonight so I know I'm not articulating this properly, lol. I completely get the part of him having a right to want whatever he wants, the part that I don't get is where they have to accommodate that.

Take that waiter in Texas that was in the news recently, who refused to serve a family that demanded to be seated away from a Downs child. Obviously, to my sensibilities, that family (like the guy in this article) was wrong. But I acknowledge they have the right to be bigoted towards people with developmental difficulties. But they didn't have the right to force the service establishment to accommodate their attitudes.

You see what I mean?

It wouldn't occur to most people. But some people are more comfortable with same gender attending to them.

I guess I just associate that with my grandparents generation.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm really tired tonight so I know I'm not articulating this properly, lol. I completely get the part of him having a right to want whatever he wants, the part that I don't get is where they have to accommodate that.

I don't know if they actually have to.

I can see how in some demographics it could be hard to accommodate.

Take that waiter in Texas that was in the news recently, who refused to serve a family that demanded to be seated away from a Downs child. Obviously, to my sensibilities, that family (like the guy in this article) was wrong. But I acknowledge they have the right to be bigoted towards people with developmental difficulties. But they didn't have the right to force the service establishment to accommodate their attitudes.

Why not?

I always ask to be seated in a corner facing an exit. If I can't be accommodated, i leave.

You see what I mean?

Yep.

I guess I just associate that with my grandparents generation.

I know guys that won't go to a female GP.

 

[Goober]

Yes it is.

I have an inalienable right to decide who can or can not touch me or my minor children.

Based on anything I so desire.

Well show me that you have that right when the decision is and made based upon race and not upon qualifications of the Nurses. This is not a personal opinion on Hosp care.

 

[CDNBear]

Well show me that you have that right when the decision is and made based upon race and not upon qualifications of the Nurses.

Show me I can't.

The article clearly shows it can be done.

 

[SLM]

Show me I can't.

The article clearly shows it can be done.

But it was done because the hospital allowed it be done, their choice not his right.

 

[CDNBear]

But it was done because the hospital allowed it be done, their choice not his right.

That doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to request it.

If he doesn't get what he wants there, he's also free to go elsewhere.

 

[damngrumpy]

CDNBear is likely right in the formal sense of the word. The fact is that even legislation
carved in stone cannot control the human condition. It is sad to think we have to make
such laws in the first place.

 

[DaSleeper]

The rule of law doesn't have to follow "politicaly correct" guidelines even if some would wish it to be be so.

 

[Sal]

CDNBear is likely right in the formal sense of the word. The fact is that even legislation
carved in stone cannot control the human condition. It is sad to think we have to make
such laws in the first place.

It's sad to think that we make such children who grow into adults such as these. Children don't hate, they are taught to hate.

 

[SLM]

That doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to request it.

If he doesn't get what he wants there, he's also free to go elsewhere.

Absolutely, he can request a lollipop every hour on the hour. He has the right to request it. He doesn't have the right to have it.

I guess I'm just sensing a lack of clarity (not from what you've posted specifically, but generally throughout this thread) where people seem to be saying "well, that's his right," and while that may be that is not why he received what he asked for. I think that clarification is important. He received accommodation for his request because the hospital chose to comply with it. They then based their staff scheduling decisions using a persons race as the sole factor. Is that not discriminatory?

This guy, in my opinion, is a douche bag, based on who he is, a racist moron. And he has every right to be a douche bag, I think he's actually doing bang up job of it. The hospital though took an action, which could very rationally be argued as being discriminatory in nature.

 

[Sal]

This guy, in my opinion, is a douche bag, based on who he is, a racist moron. And he has every right to be a douche bag, I think he's actually doing bang up job of it. The hospital though took an action, which could very rationally be argued as being discriminatory in nature.

And is trying to imply they did it, for the staff's protection. How very paternalistic of them.

 

[CDNBear]

Why is everyone ok with forcing their beliefs on the family in the article, but not ok with their right to have whom they wish around their child.

For whatever reason, we all make/made decisions involving what/who we allow/ed around our children.

Just because this families request is ignorant to us, doesn't mean it's any less valid than our own prejudices.

 

[Sal]

Just because this families request is ignorant to us, doesn't mean it's any less valid than our own prejudices.

Their right to hold the belief is fine, when their belief affects another's livelihood based upon hate, which they have used to attempt to manipulate the public system, they have crossed the line and they lose their power. I would also hope, that if my prejudice were to infringe on another, someone would squash it as well.

 

[DaSleeper]

The family of the patient didn't want her as their nurse, and the hospital complied with the rquest....
Was the nurse out of work? did she get paid less? Or was it just her feelings
If I go to a restaurant, I can request the waiter or waitress I prefer for whatever reason I choose
The hospital is a business and you are the customer and you can request the service you prefer....or go somewhere else.

 

[CDNBear]

Their right to hold the belief is fine, when their belief affects another's livelihood based upon hate, which they have used to attempt to manipulate the public system, they have crossed the line and they lose their power.

It didn't affect anyones livelihood. Shifts were changed. That's not at all uncommon within the nursing profession, for all manner of reasons.

 

[Sal]

It didn't affect anyones livelihood. Shifts were changed. That's not at all uncommon within the nursing profession, for all manner of reasons.

tip of the iceberg. He won't like Jews, he won't like you, he won't like Catholics, he won't be keen on female equality... you can do the scheduling ... it's a dangerous precedent the hospital set only because it was a knee jerk reaction.

And the reason for such reactions is they are attempting to run a business and they just wanted to shut him up, keep him quiet with the least possible fall out. Oops, poor decision and it's going to cost their business a LOT of money and grief.

 

[CDNBear]

tip of the iceberg. He won't like Jews, he won't like you, he won't like Catholics, he won't be keen on female equality... you can do the scheduling ... it's a dangerous precedent the hospital set only because it was a knee jerk reaction.

Is that why some people use strictly Catholic hospitals? Jewish ones?

And the reason for such reactions is they are attempting to run a business and they just wanted to shut him up, keep him quiet with the least possible fall out.

Least possible fallout?

Are you kidding?

I don't think he could gather much support for his request, let alone cause any real issue.

Oops, poor decision and it's going to cost their business a LOT of money and grief.

Maybe.

 

[SLM]

Why is everyone ok with forcing their beliefs on the family in the article, but not ok with their right to have whom they wish around their child.

I'm not okay with forcing anything on anybody. You stated earlier that you have a preference for seating in a restaurant. You ask if they can accommodate this, if they can great, if they can't you leave. That's your right and your choice. Doesn't matter what the reason is that they can or can't accommodate the request, that doesn't change your right or your choices. They can simply decide that they don't want to accommodate that request, granted no restaurant probably would in that scenario but should they, have your rights been violated? I'd say no because your right is to make the request, not to have it accommodated.

The family of the patient didn't want her as their nurse, and the hospital complied with the rquest....
Was the nurse out of work? did she get paid less? Or was it just her feelings

Just a question, is it the action (behaviour) itself that is judged right or wrong or is the moral validity of the behaviour contingent upon the end result?