Canadian Office of Religious Freedom

[damngrumpy]

Face it the prayer thing is window dressing at best. All those humble folks heads bowed,
what a scene. The real reason they are all praying? They are praying they don't get
caught.

 

[Goober]

Face it the prayer thing is window dressing at best. All those humble folks heads bowed,
what a scene. The real reason they are all praying? They are praying they don't get
caught.

So it is just an opinion then.

 

[Spade]

I love it!

Canada's Sacred Office is part of External Affairs. This will allow us holier-than-thou Canadians to sneer at distant lands.

Mind you, sometime back, it was a good thing one of them foreign countries didn't have a similar office, because they would've wagged fingers our way. For instance, a quick survey of our Last Best West.

Back in 1903, how did we handle our indigenous people's religious celebrations. Saskatchewan's Top News Stories: Conflict And Struggle.

Or, Doukhobors trying to defend their land from squatters.
Saskatchewan's Top News Stories: Conflict And Struggle

Or, how appropriate the actions of the KKK were in striving to keep the Prairies free of Jews, Catholics, Eastern Europeans.
Saskatchewan's Top News Stories: Conflict And Struggle

I won"t even mention Orange Lodges in Eastern Canada
..

 

[china]

darkbeaver

I worship the sun, I have nothing to fear but clouds and snow and fierce winds and the occasional fireball, thats god in these parts and besides they are millions of tax dollars away from study and consultations before they can begin efficient inquizitions

I'll smoke to that ....... well , maybe .

 

[damngrumpy]

Yes Goober it was a one persons opinion I have nothing against those who want to pray
I just wonder how sincere they are because right after the prayers they are back to name
calling its enough to confuse God Himself. Face it the whole concept of what they are
setting up is hypocrisy at best
Remember in addition to the sins mentioned above, good Christians in Parliament also
implemented the Chines Head Tax and the deeds done to the Japanese during WWII.
Yes they prayed then two and then did some of the most despicable things in history.
If they were forced to go to Confession they could say all the prayers of atonement before
they died.
This prayer thing has no meaning its just there and that is worse than if they said no prayers
at all.
The sad fact is it is act one of a social conservative agenda that even the real conservatives
will in the end reject.
There is nothing worse than self righteous social conservatives scolding others for their deeds
while they themselves do worse. And then they all leave church and go buy consumer goods
made by the biggest oppressors in history and brag about the good deals they got.
The whole thing is a joke

 

[Goober]

Yes Goober it was a one persons opinion I have nothing against those who want to pray
I just wonder how sincere they are because right after the prayers they are back to name
calling its enough to confuse God Himself. Face it the whole concept of what they are
setting up is hypocrisy at best
Remember in addition to the sins mentioned above, good Christians in Parliament also
implemented the Chines Head Tax and the deeds done to the Japanese during WWII.
Yes they prayed then two and then did some of the most despicable things in history.
If they were forced to go to Confession they could say all the prayers of atonement before
they died.
This prayer thing has no meaning its just there and that is worse than if they said no prayers
at all.
The sad fact is it is act one of a social conservative agenda that even the real conservatives
will in the end reject.
There is nothing worse than self righteous social conservatives scolding others for their deeds
while they themselves do worse. And then they all leave church and go buy consumer goods
made by the biggest oppressors in history and brag about the good deals they got.
The whole thing is a joke

The things you mentions are history- ask yourself- would it happen today.

 

[Spade]

When did things change, Goober?

 

[damngrumpy]

Given the right set of circumstances yes it would and that is the problem
People in high places live by the visual of their prayers not by their actions
and that is the problem.
I don't have a problem with prayers or with God for that matter I just have
a hell of a lot of problems with some preachers who claim to represent him
and followers that would not recognize him if they were confronted by him.
This whole bringing church into government is not a good thing at all.
Especially when it can be abused by scoundrels

 

[Goober]

When did things change, Goober?

After 911 did you see non Muslims rampaging thru the streets killing, murdering, raping and pillaging. Nope. To me that was a notable change that most do not give any credence to.

 

[Spade]

No, but there were a couple of Crusades.

 

[Goober]

No, but there were a couple of Crusades.

Call them what you will.
Now riddle me this. All the studies and we have had a whack of them regarding racist attitudes have never, that I know of, broken their studies and Stats down by ethnic groupings.
Perhaps I missed them but none that I recall.

 

[Spade]

In terms of religious tolerance, Canada is better than many but is not perfect.

By the way, "Crusade" was not my word...

 

[Goober]

In terms of religious tolerance, Canada is better than many but is not perfect.

By the way, "Crusade" was not my word...

I know who used it.

I have searched around and cannot find where anyone has studied and a significantly large one on racism within ethnic groups. Now why would that be?

 

[taxslave]

If we aren't a theocracy, why is our head of state the head of a religion?

To prove that there is no separation between church and state. Despite what they may try and tell you.

 

[Johnnny]

No, but there were a couple of Crusades.

and there were a couple of jihads too... SOme even going on now, CHristians grew out of crusading :lol:...

In terms of religious tolerance, Canada is better than many but is not perfect.

By the way, "Crusade" was not my word...

We are better than many, and people (especially the self loathing canadians) have to realize that the world isnt perfect and that we wont come up with the perfect utopia society.... people need to quit worrying about the irrelevant details and need to focus on the big picture... Semantics only bog down people and distract from the real situation.... Honestly i would rather a christian organization helping people than conquering people by the sword....

The christians for all their mistakes, are ahead of the curve when it comes to working with the real world... Forgetting the holy trinity thing, which is irrevelant because that hasnt stopped the church from embracing scientific principles.

And yes iam protecting the christians because you know why? I wouldnt be able to enjoy my deist persuasion in most non christian countries. (excluding turkey and a few others).... Christians on average have the rest of the worlds religons beat when it comes to freedoms....

Alot of you are cry babies

Like big deal, Your daddy hated on "rag heads", that doesnt mean you have to hate on our whole country as a whole because of your racist daddy :lol:

 

[Simple Man]

This is a great example of the "money is no object" stance of our governing body in this day. The creation of yet another department that seeks to address issues that are not addressable and in fact, from a perspective of mandate, are contradictory.

The only organized body that has any problem with any "established" religion are in fact other established religions. How can you defend the rights of any one religion without treading on, or denying, the freedom of another religion.

"Religion" as an institution is wholly responsible for countless atrocities throughout history. Atrocities that in my mind occurred simply because the parties involved were blinded to what is right and wrong by whatever dogma was popular or powerful at that time. How many persons directly responsible for the suffering / persecution of others throughout history were driven or directed by a fear of persecution themselves.....fearful that were they to refuse their appointed task on the grounds that it was "wrong" would put them into a position being subjected to punishment for being one of "them".

Newsflash: We all already have religious freedom.....no department is going to help in this regard if you are treated inhumanely for your religious beliefs. Chiefly because said department is toothless, it has no power to go to bat in the name of religious freedom because to step in and defend one religion inherently dictates the denial of another....how do you pick sides.

We all inherently have an innate sense of right and wrong, religious beliefs aside....whether we choose to ignore it because of peer pressure or religious indoctrination is up to us...we are free to do so whether there is an official department or not.

 

[Goober]

This is a great example of the "money is no object" stance of our governing body in this day. The creation of yet another department that seeks to address issues that are not addressable and in fact, from a perspective of mandate, are contradictory.

The only organized body that has any problem with any "established" religion are in fact other established religions. How can you defend the rights of any one religion without treading on, or denying, the freedom of another religion.

"Religion" as an institution is wholly responsible for countless atrocities throughout history. Atrocities that in my mind occurred simply because the parties involved were blinded to what is right and wrong by whatever dogma was popular or powerful at that time. How many persons directly responsible for the suffering / persecution of others throughout history were driven or directed by a fear of persecution themselves.....fearful that were they to refuse their appointed task on the grounds that it was "wrong" would put them into a position being subjected to punishment for being one of "them".

Newsflash: We all already have religious freedom.....no department is going to help in this regard if you are treated inhumanely for your religious beliefs. Chiefly because said department is toothless, it has no power to go to bat in the name of religious freedom because to step in and defend one religion inherently dictates the denial of another....how do you pick sides.

We all inherently have an innate sense of right and wrong, religious beliefs aside....whether we choose to ignore it because of peer pressure or religious indoctrination is up to us...we are free to do so whether there is an official department or not.

Blah, blah blah. Not another who has that hate on for Religion. That's OK as I forgive you.

 

[Simple Man]

Blah, blah blah. Not another who has that hate on for Religion. That's OK as I forgive you.

Not at all....I have no "hate on" for religion. I have a serious hate on for the govies pissing away money (mine and yours) hand over fist with zero accountability.

It has little to do with religion, everything to do with freedom.

 

[Goober]

Not at all....I have no "hate on" for religion. I have a serious hate on for the govies pissing away money (mine and yours) hand over fist with zero accountability.

It has little to do with religion, everything to do with freedom.

Well to get serious here, which I abhor at times, but I will this once just for you.
Have you read the thread and seen how many people who have religious beliefs hate the idea of such an office.
Next - it is buried in Foreign Affairs- The role is who the F knows as you can be sure that FA, Big John and the staff and staffettes know full well which countries repress, kill, jail persons of differing faiths than the majority. And not a peep or peepette will be made public without going thru a multitude of approvals.

Your post was mainly attacking Religion.

Now I will revert to my normal and numerous split personalities.

We (my many personalities) all thank you for reading our rebuttal.

 

[Simple Man]

Well to get serious here, which I abhor at times, but I will this once just for you.
Have you read the thread and seen how many people who have religious beliefs hate the idea of such an office.
Next - it is buried in Foreign Affairs- The role is who the F knows as you can be sure that FA, Big John and the staff and staffettes know full well which countries repress, kill, jail persons of differing faiths than the majority. And not a peep or peepette will be made public without going thru a multitude of approvals.

Your post was mainly attacking Religion.

Now I will revert to my normal and numerous split personalities.

We (my many personalities) all thank you for reading our rebuttal.

No worries goober...

Yeah I did read through most of the thread. I could care less what he / she / they choose to believe (I do wish more would wonder how any "one" is "THE" one though) but I get frosted where it's impolite to scratch at hearing that yet another stomach has been grafted into the bloated cow that comprises our governing body.