Profit model school caught deleting bad grades

[Sal]

The big difference that you'll see between unions and business is that business has a direct measure of both competition and accountability. Poorly run businesses (generally) don't last - the public votes with their dollars or competition drives down the prices to levels that are unsustainable for inefficient business.

The contemporary impact of unions today are the antithesis of efficiency and competition... They serve to drive up costs (prices) and cloud the efficiency of the efforts

and then they fiercely protect the inefficiency by making it next to impossible to remove which then drives moral down further reducing productivity.

Because we can't maintain balance, there always needs to be extreme opposing factors to force it.

 

[captain morgan]

I'm kinda on the fence regarding what you've suggested.

On one hand, the unions have existing legislation on which to lean, but that same opportunity is not offered to a corporate entity.

In terms of balance; my question to you is who are the primary entities? In my eyes, it is the relationship between the producer and the consumer, where the employee base is included as part of the producer

 

[Sal]

I'm kinda on the fence regarding what you've suggested.

On one hand, the unions have existing legislation on which to lean, but that same opportunity is not offered to a corporate entity.

In terms of balance; my question to you is who are the primary entities? In my eyes, it is the relationship between the producer and the consumer, where the employee base is included as part of the producer

I don't know, it is one of the areas I am wrestling with. In that scenario the employee only has a limited opportunity to make a limited amount. The corporation on the other hand is driven and manipulated on levels which do not involve or benefit the smaller employee. And if poorly run at the top (which the little guy has no control over) the top may reap huge personal earnings at the expense of both the corporation and all others in it.

I have also gone from pro union, to anti union and now I am back to thinking without the unions big business could once again fully victimize the worker. The union environment where I work limits the hours we work. But in reality when I am working on site there is no way I could possibly accomplish and reach the expectation level demanded because in spite of the union all positions are not equal. And honestly some people say.... What isn't done, isn't done and then they walk away. At first I thought that appalling, but in reality one can only push one's self so far and then burn out happens.

That's why I have been examining if it really works and I don't know any more if it does especially in a global economy. I guess the older I become the more I realize that things are never as they appear. And maybe we must always be searching for better ways for everything.

A consumer based society merely promotes consumerism. We need something better.

 

[JLM]

Contrasting Unions and big business might make more sense, Unions are just another level of bureaucracy, funded by the employee.

 

[Sal]

Contrasting Unions and big business might make more sense, Unions are just another level of bureaucracy, funded by the employee.

It's an equalizer for sure... but it has its really black side too.

 

[JLM]

I have also gone from pro union, to anti union and now I am back to thinking without the unions big business could once again fully victimize the worker. The union environment where I work limits the hours we work. But in reality when I am working on site there is no way I could possibly accomplish and reach the expectation level demanded because in spite of the union all positions are not equal. And honestly some people say.... What isn't done, isn't done and then they walk away. At first I thought that appalling, but in reality one can only push one's self so far and then burn out happens.

That's why I have been examining if it really works and I don't know any more if it does especially in a global economy. I guess the older I become the more I realize that things are never as they appear. And maybe we must always be searching for better ways for everything.

A consumer based society merely promotes consumerism. We need something better.

Two thoughts, the time of labour shortage is upon us as boomers are quickly leaving the work scene, so not wise for employers to victimize workers. How much worker "burnout" is due to not working "smart" rather than working too hard?

 

[Sal]

Two thoughts, the time of labour shortage is upon us as boomers are quickly leaving the work scene, so not wise for employers to victimize workers. How much worker "burnout" is due to not working "smart" rather than working too hard?

Well currently here in Ontario there are a shortage of jobs so in this type of economy the employer can push hard really hard and people feel pressured to tow the line because if you don't ten people are looking to take your place.

As for working smart right now those days are over. Everyone I see is maxed. It's not like you have 100 people and two are saying wow, I can't keep up...it's everyone. Within that group some will be more stressed than others for a variety of reasons including mental and physical health, family life, financial situation etc. All contribute. Thus how you measure it. Middle management is always squeezed regardless of economy.

 

[L Gilbert]

An interesting report of a Tennessee for-profit school caught deleting failing grades:
Republican-backed for-profit school caught deleting bad student grades | The Raw Story

So much for the superior metrics and performance standards. There is nothing accurate about deleting performance records.

lol UI can hear the students now: "You'll see I'm really quite brilliant once you can't see all the stupid stuff". Jeeezez
Seriously, how the hell is that supposed to help America stay competent? (rhetorical)
Typical short-sighted profit-before-people type nonsense. Don't think of years down the road, think of tomorrow's revenue.

Standardized tests should be controlled by the government of course. I don't know of any government other than what you're referring to here that does not have standardized tests across its jurisdiction. Even Sweden with its 'free schools' funded by its voucher programme and Hungary with its myriad course options all have standardized tests nationwide. Sure it's reasonable to give the school and parents more choice and autonomy, but obviously that should not extend to standardized tests.

What difference would that make if the student stats are deliberately skewed? You want to spend a pile of money on gov't educational course auditors? Gov't isn't the answer to everything, let alone bigger gov't, you know. Unskewed results are what matters here, not SOP.

Generally speaking 50% has been regarded as the passing mark on pretty much any test. That is an arbitrary figure assigned to tests of vastly different degrees of difficulty. Once it can be determined who can be passed and failed fairly, that should eliminate one problem. I think one of the biggest problems with young people today is their inability to accept failure (one of the biggest methods of how we learn................trial and error). If you are only failing 25% of the time you are probably a success.

Really? I remember in my days, if you didn't get at leasta C-, you didn't pass unless you worked your way up the grades more. In these days of higher competition, only knowing half of what you should gets you a career in a McDumpster assembling burgers or scrubbing coffee cups clean.

The BC teachers union is dead set against the standardized tests administered in I think grades 4 and 7. They are afraid poor results may reflect negatively on the teachers.

And on top of that, the education system has become like the medical system, a conveyor belt where numbers of product counts more than quality.

Trades require a minimum of 70%. As are all the first aid exams I have taken. Our firefighter certification required 80%. But people that do these kind of jobs must be better prepared than cube rats because mistakes can be fatal when you are fixing cars or putting out fires.

Yep.

Contrasting Unions and big business might make more sense, Unions are just another level of bureaucracy, funded by the employee.

I prefer to think unions are just another business, but with different objectives and regs. Not all unions are like that, but the big ones sure are. And any business, gov't, union, etc. carries with it, its own bureaucracy.

Anyway, the conversation is wandering off. The whole idea is to educate kids. This private school isn't doing that properly because its focus is short-sighted and it's on profit.