Cons want RCMP to investigate abortions

DaSleeper

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Law is mostly based on intent. Abortion was the intent of the procedure being done by medical types.

It's like charging a locksmith with B&E for opening your house when you lose your keys.
An analogy more to the point would be the locksmith opening your house and leaving with your T V......
 

petros

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Cool, I always love it when you admit your errors.
Are they investigation infanticide?

Do physicans do this type of ****?

Katrina Effert was 19 on April 13, 2005, when she secretly gave birth in her parents' home, strangled the baby boy with her underwear and threw the body over a fence into a neighbour's yard.

Far different intent.
 

karrie

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Law is mostly based on intent. Abortion was the intent of the procedure being done by medical types.

It's like charging a locksmith with B&E for opening your house when you lose your keys.

I'm sorry but no, it's not all about intent.

If a baby is born despite an attempt to abort it, you can't simply kill it once it's been born. Upon birth, upon drawing in air free of its mother, that baby has rights under our law. you can't snuff it out and pretend it never happened.
 

karrie

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Are they investigation infanticide?

Do physicans do this type of ****?

I've never been in a clinic to see abortions performed, but I have heard accusations in the past of doctors taking fetuses that survived the process, and killing them. Or, wrapping them up, sticking them in a room without milk, care, etc., and letting nature take its slow course.


Now, let me be clear that's rumours. But I for one wouldn't jump on the notion that it's religious zealotry that drives someone to want stuff like this investigated to get to the root of it.
 

Sal

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Law is mostly based on intent. Abortion was the intent of the procedure being done by medical types.

It's like charging a locksmith with B&E for opening your house when you lose your keys.
Not according to those who want the investigation. They want murder charges placed. The article does not state who is going to be charged; would it be the woman, or the doctor or the hospital, would it be all three?

Note that Karrie called the results of the abortion a 'baby'. Immediately that would imply...murder IF no intervention were given to maintain life.

Not quite as simple as a lock.
 

petros

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I'm sorry but no, it's not all about intent.

If a baby is born despite an attempt to abort it, you can't simply kill it once it's been born. Upon birth, upon drawing in air free of its mother, that baby has rights under our law. you can't snuff it out and pretend it never happened.
So if they miss when slicing through the neck of the unborn child during a cesarean abortion and slice again to finish the job, it's murder. If it lived for a few days with it's head halfed lopped off it would have been better?
 

karrie

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Not according to those who want the investigation. They want murder charges placed. The article does not state who is going to be charged; would it be the woman, or the doctor or the hospital, would it be all three?

Note that Karrie called the results of the abortion a 'baby'. Immediately that would imply...murder IF no intervention were given to maintain life.

Not quite as simple as a lock.

Not quite. Murder if there was a definite action to end the life, or direct refusal of the basics of life (air, warmth, formula if the baby is strong enough to eat).

There are lots of women who every year, go through the harrowing ordeal of delivering babies early due to malformation, illness, etc. They then have the 'honour' of sitting and waiting for their babies to die. There doesn't need to be a medical intervention done, but they can't purposely deny basic human care to cause death. It's a terribly fine line, but it's there.
 

petros

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They should be.

Is crushing the skull and dumping it in a biohazard receptacle any different?

It is? Her intent was to abort the baby and get rid of it.
I don't approve of what they do. Never have but it's what the majority call a Right.
 

CDNBear

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So if they miss when slicing through the neck of the unborn child during a cesarean abortion and slice again to finish the job, it's murder. If it lived for a few days with it's head halfed lopped off it would have been better?
That's called malpractice.

I don't approve of what they do. Never have but it's what the majority call a Right.
There is no right to have a newborn murdered.
 

Sal

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Not quite. Murder if there was a definite action to end the life, or direct refusal of the basics of life (air, warmth, formula if the baby is strong enough to eat).

There are lots of women who every year, go through the harrowing ordeal of delivering babies early due to malformation, illness, etc. They then have the 'honour' of sitting and waiting for their babies to die. There doesn't need to be a medical intervention done, but they can't purposely deny basic human care to cause death. It's a terribly fine line, but it's there.
But Karrie, it is a partially aborted fetus. It is not going to live, and go to school, and have a life. You are going to feed it, and hope for what, sustained agony for a few days? Are you now going to try to reverse what was done during procedure? ...it is simply inhuman.

This is an attempt to curtail abortion. It is just the start.
 

gerryh

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He can't help it.

But Karrie, it is a partially aborted fetus. It is not going to live, and go to school, and have a life. You are going to feed it, and hope for what, sustained agony for a few days? I would not do that to an animal...it is simply inhuman.

This is an attempt to curtail abortion. It is just the start.


Bullshyte.
 

karrie

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But Karrie, it is a partially aborted fetus. It is not going to live, and go to school, and have a life. You are going to feed it, and hope for what, sustained agony for a few days? I would not do that to an animal...it is simply inhuman.

This is an attempt to curtail abortion. It is just the start.

Describe a 'partially aborted fetus'.

What you have to understand is that inducing labour before a certain cut-off date (I'm not sure what it is), is considered abortion too. So, when Suzie finds out her child has spinabifida so bad that she's barely recognizable as human, and decides to have an 'early labour', what she's really having is an abortion. Doctors dilate her cervix, induce contractions, remove the fetus. They wrap it in a blanket, they give it to Suzie, and Suzie loves and adores that child until it draws its last breath. That's still an abortion. What they don't do, is crush its skull, or slit its throat, or toss it in a dumpster, once they've delivered it. That's murder. If drawing that line is 'curtailing abortion', do you really want to be on the side of abortion?
 

gerryh

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Describe a 'partially aborted fetus'.

What you have to understand is that inducing labour before a certain cut-off date (I'm not sure what it is), is considered abortion too. So, when Suzie finds out her child has spinabifida so bad that she's barely recognizable as human, and decides to have an 'early labour', what she's really having is an abortion. Doctors dilate her cervix, induce contractions, remove the fetus. They wrap it in a blanket, they give it to Suzie, and Suzie loves and adores that child until it draws its last breath. That's still an abortion. What they don't do, is crush its skull, or slit its throat, or toss it in a dumpster, once they've delivered it. That's murder. If drawing that line is 'curtailing abortion', do you really want to be on the side of abortion?


Obviously she does. Obviously she has no problem with those acts.

I have always loved the depth of your thought gerry and how you express it...post bomb strikes again


Your post didn't deserve anymore than what it got. Bullshyte is bullshyte.