Idle No More -Where is the Leadership?

petros

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450 years of hunting, fishing, trapping, harvesting for HBC or North West Company wasn't a job as an independant contractor?

When treaties were being negotiated by Morris, Laird and Christie the definition of an Indian according to the Indians was somebody who lived 100% off the land as a lifestyle and not bloodlines.
 

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It is not to late but they have to step up. They saw it was being hijacked and did make some statements. Time to lead or others will and they will be left with the stain of doing nothing when leadership was needed.

Realistically speaking, no one individual can control a movement.
 

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I don't know if this has already been brought up, I'm sure it has. However the majority of the people that I've seen protesting aren't even aboriginal (I refuse to use the word First Nations, because what is a "First Nation"?). It seems to me that this so called "movement" has most definitely been hijacked by those with money and influence.

Most of those in the aboriginal community without money and influence (at least in those communities which are suffering [those we should be paying attention to]) are silent. We hear from the "Grand Chief" of Manitoba saying he demands another meeting with the Prime Minister after he boycotts the first opportunity. He says he wants it on his terms.

I'm sorry, but Aboriginals make up a very small percentage of Canadian society but control twice as much land. They receive a great deal more money per capita (considering they do not pay taxes) than the average Canadian. We have (as average Canadian represented by the government) no obligation to meet on his terms.

I'm tired of Aboriginals saying that they want the government to respect their treaty rights, when they refuse to respect them themselves. And why exactly do they seem to believe that the Governor General has any power whatsoever to do anything that they want? Yes, the GG confirms and ascents to government legislation, but he or she does not form it...So what exactly is the point here?
 

PoliticalNick

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Nope. As far as uneducated, stupid and bigoted commentary goes, you're a light weight.
I'm being polite.

I'm not hard done by or poor.
Yet you still believe the white man should give you free medical & dental & education etc.
The bulk of the First Nations I know that believe that somewhat
You must not know many.
have a better grip than you and have better and far more fulfilling jobs that you do
I highly doubt that
You really should learn to read.
I can read just fine. You should really be telling that to you native buddies who think white men owe them a living.
 

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How come I didn't get the memo? I wanna go to the ranch too. :(

Ranch is the code name for your place. Order extra beer fridges.

 

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450 years of hunting, fishing, trapping, harvesting for HBC or North West Company wasn't a job as an independant contractor?

When treaties were being negotiated by Morris, Laird and Christie the definition of an Indian according to the Indians was somebody who lived 100% off the land as a lifestyle and not bloodlines.

That would put a serious dent in the number of status cards today.
 

petros

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That would put a serious dent in the number of status cards today.
Yes but no at the same time.

I keep hearing people say "read the treaties, read the treaties" but there is far more to be learned by reading the history of the treaties and how the Natives ASKED for the treaties and were never forced after seeing what happened in the US.

The leaders that signed the treaties weren't stupid men dazzled by shiny buttons and steel arrowheads like so many would like us to believe. They had guidance from very well educated Cree, Saulteaux, Metis and the Jesuits from the East.

The main intent of the treaties was to ensure a steady food supply through agriculture, raising animals, lteracy, education in the trades, access to the medicine chest and most importantly safety from being annihilated like in the US through peaceful means.

They knew settlement was coming and saw new opportunity as the fur economy was being depleted after 400 years of harvesting animals as the main source of income.

The Native leaders were asking for a hand up and not handouts unlike the station wagon burners of today.

For the signatories sovereignty meant not being all lumped together but each tribe being able to handle their own affairs as their own tribe.

There was and still is animosity between different tribes today. Sovereignty was never about little nations within the nation of Canada it was about sovereign tribes being able to negotiate what was best for their themselves as tribes.
 

CDNBear

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(I refuse to use the word First Nations, because what is a "First Nation"?).
The Nations that were here when the Europeans arrived. It really isn't that difficult a concept to grasp.

The Europeans came, met a group of different Nations here. In the north the Nations were negotiated with by Royal Proclamation. Hence the different treaties written and signed by the different Nations.

I hope that clears things up.

It seems to me that this so called "movement" has most definitely been hijacked by those with money and influence.
Because they have the most to lose.

He says he wants it on his terms.
What's wrong with that?
I'm sorry, but Aboriginals make up a very small percentage of Canadian society but control twice as much land.
LMAO!

They receive a great deal more money per capita (considering they do not pay taxes) than the average Canadian.
Use the search function and look up "Fiscal Imbalance".

I'm tired of Aboriginals saying that they want the government to respect their treaty rights, when they refuse to respect them themselves.
Got some examples?

I'm being polite.
LOL, no doubt.

Yet you still believe the white man should give you free medical & dental & education etc.
No I don't. I believe that the treaty (Two Row Wampum) should be honoured. I believe that the land stolen by fraud should be returned or paid for.

You must not know many.
I'd wager I know far more than you.

But thanks for another glimpse into who you are, lol.

I highly doubt that
No doubt.

I can read just fine.
Obviously you can't. I've pointed out your inability to read and/or comprehend what is in front of you more than once.

You should really be telling that to you native buddies who think white men owe them a living.
I have Native buddies that think white folk owe them a living?

Again, please learn to read.

Mean while back at the ranch the people were having a reasonable discussion
Impossible with a person like PN.

Yes but no at the same time.

I keep hearing people say "read the treaties, read the treaties" but there is far more to be learned by reading the history of the treaties and how the Natives ASKED for the treaties and were never forced after seeing what happened in the US.
You're using a whole lot of prairie history and a little revisionism to formulate your conclusions.

Other than that, an excellent post.
 
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